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MarcR schreef:Waarom wordt het western steeds aangevallen op de leeftijd van inrijden ?
En niet :
Het "prepareren" van 1 en 2 jarige voor vrijspringen en keuringen.
Het dekken van 2 en 3 jarige merries, is een peuter klaar voor een veulen ?
Renpaarden die voor hun twee jaar op de baan staan.
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Onze paint merrie was 2,5 jaar toen haar basisopleiding is begonnen, nadat twee (20 en 30 jaar ervaring) en gediplomeerde trainers, na enkele maanden observatie en grondwerktraining haar daar klaar voor vonden. Deze training is op een rustige manier gebeurd en heeft 5 maand geduurd zonder dat ze 1 keer door het lint is gegaan.
Ik weet ook dat het soms anders gebeurd maar dat is niet alleen bij het western.
Overal heb je mensen die nadenken en andere die het voor het geld doen.
Adrienne schreef:@MissPK: Alles wat je leest gaat over jong beginnen en weidegang gecombineerd vanaf ongeveer de 18 maanden. Dat van die weidegang was voor mij ook al erg lang bekend. De beweging is nodig om de zogenaamde "vierkante gewrichten" te voorkomen. Maar dat het jong trainen ook van belang is voor de botversterking en de pezen en spieren wist ik niet
Ik ben dan ook geen voorstander om een paard pas met 5 of 6 te laten werken
Adrienne schreef:En voor hoeveel mensen denk je dat dit enige inhoud heeft ??... Als dus nu wetenschappelijk wordt aangetoond dat het beter is om ze vroeg en met veel beleid te trainen dan hebben wij daar allemaal belang bij!
Citaat:There is much talk about beginning the training of young horses at two years (or younger) in order to cause that ‘loading’ on bones and tissue that promotes good profile and development. But, rather than experiencing this as something into which they are forced, and which is often made very boring for a young equine mind with only a very short attention span, how much better to let the bachelor group do the job instead? Now that would be Ethological horse training indeed! From experience, injuries from such play are far fewer than those that result from early training in round pens and schools. What’s more, the colt knows when he’s had enough, and his proprioceptors tell him when his joints are becoming liable to over-flexion due to tiredness, something the human trainer could not possibly do anywhere near as well.
Now, given that we have been steadily keeping up with the basics of handling, what is the best age to begin training for work under saddle? Perhaps we might take the word of someone who has achieved international recognition at the very highest levels of equestrian sport; Reiner Klimke, Olympic Gold Medallist, World Dressage Champion, European Dressage Champion and European Horse Trials champion. Not only did Klimke ride these championship winning horses – he also trained them! What’s more if you track down photos of Klimke riding horses such as 1982 World Dressage Champion Ahlerich, or Maiko or Volt, it is immediately clear that these are well balanced animals, happy and relaxed in their work. Of starting his horses Klimke, in his book Basic Training of the Young horse, states; “None of my successful horses have been shown as 3-year-olds. I bought “Winzerin”, my three-day event horse at the 1960 Rome Olympics, as a 4-year-old in 1956. She had just been backed. “Arcadius” came to me as a 4-year-old just backed. I only started working him seriously at the end of his fourth year and when he was a 7-year-old in 1962 we won the European Championships in Rotterdam. I bought “Fabiola” as a 2 ½ -year-old , started riding her a year later, and won the Dressage Derby with her in Hamburg when she was a 6-year-old. I bought “Ahlerich” as a 4-year-old at the Westphalian Auction at Munster. I hardly rode him as a 4-year-old and only took him to one show. He won 10 medium and advanced classes as a 6-year-old and as a 7-year-old 9 Grand Prix classes. I am convinced that had I started these horses earlier I would not have been so successful. One must have the patience to wait until the horse is physically and mentally ready for the work demanded of it.”
What is true of Klimke’s warmbloods is equally true of other breeds, and even more so of the hotbloods. Many an Arabian or Thoroughbred has been spoilt by demanding too much too early, resulting in a horse that is overly emotional and liable to become so excited that they simply cannot concentrate on the task at hand. For these horses a 20 minute session on the lunge at three years of age amounts to punishment rather than training – and can easily produce a base-level resistance that will become a defining restriction for the rest of its working life. Invariably such resistance will be characterised as ‘naughtiness’ or ‘disobedience’ on the part of the horse, rather than ‘impatience’ on the part of the handler.
Nor is the down-side of early training limited to emotional impact – there are severe implications in terms of bone and joint function too where horses are subjected to excessive weight carrying prior to 2 ½ years of age.Tiredness and overwork can easily result in repeated small overflexions, in which joints – or articulations – are made to flex over a greater angle than they should. Each time this occurs, the bony ‘stops’ and check ligaments that are responsible for controlling the degree of flexion may be damaged. Such damage may never amount to anything critical in the normal course of events but, at high speed, or during the pressure of top level jumping courses, it may become just that, resulting in a hideous broken leg and death. Anyone who has seen the result of this in racing will know just how sickening a sight it is to witness and the habit within the racing industry of starting horses into work as juvenile 2 year olds must surely account for a good measure of this damage.

Adrienne schreef:Quote 2by: Ray Geor, BVSc, PhD, Dipl. ACVIM
January 01 2001 Article # 72 schreef:......And we now have evidence that horses beginning their careers during their two-year-old seasons actually have longer racing careers than horses which first race in later seasons. .......
Adrienne schreef:Quote 3Harold Brommer, DVM, of Utrecht University in the Netherlands schreef:Conclusions: In line with the concept of functional adaptation, the neonate is born with biomechanically 'blank' or homogeneous cartilage. Functional adaptation of biomechanical properties takes place early in life, resulting in cartilage with a distinct heterogeneity in functional characteristics. At age 18 months, functional adaptation, as assessed by the biomechanical characteristics, has progressed to a level comparable to the mature horse and, after this age, no major adaptations seem to occur. Potential relevance: Throughout life, different areas of articular cartilage are subjected to different types of loading. Differences in loading can adequately be met only when the tissue is biomechanically adapted to withstand these different loading conditions without injury. This process of functional adaptation starts immediately after birth and is completed well before maturity. This makes the factor of loading at a young age a crucial variable, and emphasises the necessity to optimise joint loading during early life in order to create an optimal biomechanical quality of articular cartilage, which may well turn out to be the best prevention for joint injury later in life.
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_Vanes_ schreef:Niemand????En waarom is het juist aan deze kant van de oceaan "gewoonte" om een paard met 3 aan te rijden?
Is daar een ook een stuk traditie ergens uit ontstaan en is dit altijd zo geweest??
Wie weet dit?
MissPK schreef:Nou, en waarom worden veel Quarters nu zo vroeg aangereden? Omdat als ze zo jong zijn ze nog niet goed uitkijken bij het oversteken...
_Vanes_ schreef:_Vanes_ schreef:Niemand????En waarom is het juist aan deze kant van de oceaan "gewoonte" om een paard met 3 aan te rijden?
Is daar een ook een stuk traditie ergens uit ontstaan en is dit altijd zo geweest??
Wie weet dit?
Tja, en 2,5 jaar vind ik ook voor een warmbloed te jong om mee te beginnen 

Paintlinger schreef:...
En die vreselijke onrustige staart......
Paintlinger schreef:Ceecee: Ik ken het fenomeen...maar wat bedoel je hier verder mee?
(Het is soms lastig interpreteren...)
_Vanes_ schreef:Als Futurity niet jouw doel voor je paard is, kan je gerust tot 3 jaar wachten met inrijden en is er geen "noodzaak" om met 2 te beginnen......maar het blijft natuurlijk een eigen keus en dat moet ieder ook respecteren!
En misschien moeten mensen zich af en toe eens over hun trots heen zetten en hulp of advies vragen aan iemand die wél weet waar ie het over heeft. Gewoon, verstand gebruiken enzo.