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**Geplaatst**: 27-02-06 20:05

Re: Borna-virus - Frage aus Deutschland...

Geplaatst: 27-02-06 20:05

Novalis schreef:
Aha, begrijp

Gibt es bei euch eigentlich keine Bornainenting mehr?

I don't know that actually, I shoud ask my vet for that..

Off-topic:
Maybe you should check out our Tinkers Forum here on Bokt, it's a really busy forum

And only one foreigner from Sweden
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**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 27-02-06 22:33

Re: Borna-virus - Frage aus Deutschland...

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 27-02-06 22:33

Hi, Dianne!
That would be nice, if you could ask your veterinary...

Off topic: Thanks for the Tinker-Links. There are sweet pics on "tinkerwereld"!

**Geplaatst**: 27-02-06 23:06

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Geplaatst: 27-02-06 23:06

Lets keep this topic on topic. Tinkerchat should happen via PB.

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 01-03-06 22:46

Re: Borna-virus - Frage aus Deutschland...

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 01-03-06 22:46

Some important Infos about Borna-Illness:

The Bornavirus appears also in NL like in Germany and other countries.
He affects most horses, sheep, cats, rabbits etc..
However, the virus is different than early today.
He was fatal in 90% at that time.
He appears differently and much more quietly today.
He has presumably mutated and there are several variants.
Only everyone wants to hide it.
Because it is infectiously also for the people.
Horse owners notice similar symptoms to themselves as in the case of her horse.
All the symptoms fit in the picture of CFS. It is suspected that Borna for CFS is the cause.
It Borna was presumably got still spread with a living vaccination approx. 30 years ago.
Also in Netherlands.
You stated this, the virus bequeathed to himself.
Latent horses are woken up by a vaccination.
It is the composite Influenza herpes (rhino) vaccination mostly.
It is always therefore said it would be Rhino (EHV)

We had some epidemic trains in 2005 in all of Germany. Everyone with the following symptoms:
1 - 3 days very high fever, nose vaginal discharge, conjunctiva inflammation,
perhaps thick hind legs, the fever then can sink,
as of 3. day serious till heaviest paralyses of the spinal cord follow,
in the movement expiry and very often bubble paralyses and paralyses of anus/tail
in difficult cases fatal.
The most time or nearly all the horses are vaccinated with Rhino.
'The blood values are a little higher than the vaccintion values by Rhino.
Some of these horses are tested on Borna, they are then positive to Borna.
They then didn't die of Rhino but they die of Borna in connection with Rhino.
There is a new sure one for animals and for people most barely at the FU Berlin.

Collected reports of persons affected on symptoms of her horses fallen ill:
If one is itself owner of a horse fallen ill, one knows it for looking of course much more exactly and the past history also knows so that we can look more exactly and analyze better at the above-mentioned clinical symptoms again here.
Has pointed himself out in the meantime that the symptoms collected here are of horses which carry two viruses, EHV1/4 (Rhino)and Borna, into themselves, however, and it turns out recently that some horses also below also have chronic Lyme-Borreliose at the collection. Many are also Headshaker. The symptoms overlap, that just at the combination Borna and Lyme-Borreliose it is impossible to say of which virus which symptoms exactly are being part now.

Important: The symptoms listed below are collections of different horses, no-one has everyone. If you already recognize at least 2 symptoms as horse owners, you should have to unite Borna absolutely and also to make a Borreliosetest better. It is advisable to use the new methods at both, that is FU Berlin and Zecklab.
1. run with nose deeply on the bottom, itching of the nose and rub, = are Headshaking symptoms like Tregenimusnerv inflammation, (Borna and L Borreliose (Neuroform) symptoms).
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2. his one breaks down for the time being, spreading position of the legs, coercive movement in the circle = ring movements (Borna)
If simultaneous with the other above-mentioned symptoms movement impulse (also with gyrations), linens increased partly appears for Inkoordination, Hyperästhesie, trembling, (Borna)

4., without food chew is frequent or horses observe into resting position whether the lower lip or the long hair trembles and moves again and again there, yawns (Borna)

5.Changing nature, behavior disturbances: Quiet horses such happy horses are suddenly melancholy, increased shaking head up, then apathy, depression, is sadly the horse anxious, others are extremely restless, easily startled in turn, too, attack-like behavior (Borna)
Behaving drinking due dates: increased flight readiness, aggressiveness, overreactions on stress situations, nervousness, agoraphobia, Somnolenz , lethargy ( Borna, is assigned to the L.Borreliose as well).
6. cut-rate participation in the surroundings secretes horses have a look at more "to inside", apathy, (Borna),

7.rezidivierende colics, all recurring colics at which no obvious cause can be determined. Interesting here also the obvious connection of worming treatments and colics. (Borna, Borreliose? )

8., at a glaring first infection it can come to an getting thinner, horses forget to eat, no appetite, or certain things can/don't want to eat (Borna) food utilization disturbances however either up to the Kachexie (consumption) at the Borreliose.

9. Horses can not chew or forget to eat. but partly hangs out of the mouth column, chewing and drink cramps , the hay or straw in the mouth for a while or "smoking pipe", too

10. geldings let her tube often here notices (Borna)

11. this strikingly is the excessive pain feeling and sensitiveness of the skin, no-one horses can stand rain, they dislike rain on the nose or snow on the nose very much defend himself others are etc. not cleaned at hard brushes, woolen symptoms noticed first, they permanently have scoured themselves. (Borna, Lyme-Borreliose)
12., long problems in the frontend with the respiratory tract, cough and whitish nose vaginal discharge were watched just like the positive EHVhorses also at the Borna

13., the hind legs are put considerably more deeply under the belly. (Borna, L.-Borreliose)
14.Bornapferde have problems with the eyes, are there rather restricted with eyesight with bright and dark etc. and are fairly often frightened therefore as healthy horses, too, her hear also differently: Over-sensitiveness opposite light and noises as well as conspicuous yawn frequent and timidity. The Borna damages retina and retina according to university Leipzig in the eye. http://www.uni-leipzig.de/% 7 Evetana/subjects.html
However, eye diseases also happen at the Lyme-Borreliose.

15. Encephalitis, ataxia similar symptom, sensitiveness on the back, lit irritates -- > spinal column is aching), the walk can be staggering, stumbles once in a while, clip walk more stiffly the saddle or Halfters etc.) There are clear parallels at the symptoms to the herpes EHV, please look for a further information there at ZNS damages but also to the L.-Borreliose and Borna

16. in the late stage fever pushes and having been fixed (herpes, Borna).
17. it (3 x) reports of persons affected was repeated that the horse simply suddenly falls down in the paddock and gets up after short time now again as if nothing had happened. This was reported on the Internet with sheep and Borna at my enquiries seems so that it appears also with horses. (Borna)

18. also can after information of the therapist at the station wagon of Lyme-Borreliose Borna for a connection hoof deer appear with the sudden one on all 4 feet. At cases perhaps with death consequence which don't fit about in the normal scheme for hoof deer one should think of a Borna and Borreliosetest. These horses have often ahead in the front-end and for a long time already had problems with joints etc., too. If a Borna then joins the Borreliose, it can lead to the collapse of the Immunssystems.

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 02-03-06 12:04

Re: Borna-virus - Frage aus Deutschland...

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 02-03-06 12:04

Here´s the complete Leipzig-Link again:

http://www.uni-leipzig.de/%7Evetana/subjects.html

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