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Cassidy schreef:

Even een quote uit een eerder topic met betrekking tot het boek "Horsewhispersandlies" op http://www.horsewhispersandlies.com :

Cassidy schreef:

Voor degenen die de moeite niet willen nemen om zich aan te melden en te leren over de andere kijk op Monty's vader, hier even een kopietje. Als je bekend bent met de Join-up via Monty, moet het volgende je toch niet zo heel erg onbekend voorkomen. De vraag die overblijft is dan: wie heeft wat van wie geleerd?

brom: http://www.horsewispersandlies.com, hoofdstuk 16

In 1957, Marvin called it Training a Horse to Catch.

In 1997, Monty called it Join-Up. Monty’s Herculean effort to promote himself, his book, and a nonviolent method of horse training has generally been well received across this continent and abroad. Many of his clinics’ attendees are mesmerized by Monty’s almost mystical power over the horse. How does he do it?

In the 1960s, Dr. William "Billy" Linfoot, a veterinarian from Pleasanton, California, offered demonstration clinics on a method of working with horses that would allow him to mount a "wild, unridden" horse in a matter of minutes. He used the terms "Advance and Retreat" and "Approach at a forty-five degree angle." A review of Dr. Linfoot’s early films offers a glimpse of the natural horsemanship wave to hit the horse industry. Marvin Roberts was a fan of Dr. Linfoot and often spoke highly of the equine veterinarian.


In Horse and Horseman Training, Marvin E. Roberts offered advice on how to teach a horse to be caught in an open area. His directions were simple in 1957. He gave no reason for the action. He only offered that it worked.

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• Use a corral about fifty feet in diameter, turn the horse loose.

• Take a rope about thirty-five feet long, toss it at the horse, and pull it back.

• Make him go one way around the corral and then the other.

• When he slows, make him go on, but do not whip him.

• Keep throwing the rope over his back or behind him.

• When he begins to tire, step in front of him, hands up, and say, "Whoa."

• If he stops, walk up and pet him.

• If he runs away, throw the rope over him and make him continue the run.

• Do this two or three times; soon he will face you when you walk toward him.



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• Use a pen that is fifty feet in diameter.

• Have a light sash thirty feet long.

• Pitch the line toward his rear quarters, it will not hurt him.

• Keep the horse moving. He is retreating. You must advance.

• Get the horse to canter five or six revolutions one way.

• Reverse and repeat.

• When he wants to stop, coil the sash and assume a submissive mode.

• If he stands and faces you, move closer to him, but not straight on.

• Soon he will reach out with his nose to your shoulder, this is Join-Up.


Marvin called it Line work.

Monty calls it Line work.

Marvin believed that line work was another step in teaching a horse. He believed that with line work a horse could learn manners, get the feel of the hackamore, and learn to stop, turn, and change leads before he was ever ridden.



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• Use a buckskin string to form a loop at the knot of a rawhide hackamore.

• Attach the lines to top of the loop and run through stirrups on either side.

• Leave plenty of slack in the reins and attach them to the saddle.

• Put the colt between the lines.

• Get him to canter going either way.

• Stand in the center and let the colt go around you.

• Do not use a whip.

• Do not work him too long.

• If he stops, turn him away from you, do not use the line as a whip.

• Let the colt go the way he starts until he gets the idea.

• Then turn him toward the fence to go the other way.

• With race colts let them make large turns.



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• Attach the lines to either side of the bit rings.

• Run the lines through the stirrups.

• Position the colt between the two lines.

• If inexperienced, try it with an older horse or you could hurt your horse or yourself.

• Ask your horse to circle at the canter and then trot both ways.

• Ask him to negotiate turns and stops.

• Finally, ask him to rein back one step.

• At this point, most horses are ready to be ridden, states Monty

Wolferus schreef:

Iedereen klaagt nu wel leuk over hoe slecht een join-up wel niet is, maar lijkt longeren niet verbanaand veel op een join-up?
Je jaagt je paard weg, laat hem rondjes lopen en haalt hem weer naar je toe..
Loslongeren lijkt dan dus ook op een ioin-up, is dat dan ook weer slecht?..

Amaryllis schreef:

Het lijkt wel op een Join Up de verloren schat is van alle Bokt-Naturals..? Niemand mag iets weten, leren, of vragen over die methode, ondanks dat het overal al wel beschreven staat.

Zij hebben het toch ook ooit moeten 'leren', of in ieder geval oefenen? En hoe ging dat dan? Wees blij dat TS het in ieder geval vraagt. Niet dat ik het ooit zal gebruiken want ik ben meer van de recht toe - recht aan behandeling maar ik vind dit topic wel ver gaan zeg..

Wolferus schreef:

Iedereen klaagt nu wel leuk over hoe slecht een join-up wel niet is, maar lijkt longeren niet verbanaand veel op een join-up?
Je jaagt je paard weg, laat hem rondjes lopen en haalt hem weer naar je toe..
Loslongeren lijkt dan dus ook op een ioin-up, is dat dan ook weer slecht?..

xxhenrieke schreef:

ik wil graag de pony zn vertrouwen winnen!

xxlaura schreef:

teneerste ik lees geen penny en ik heb er meer verstand van dan je denk
ik wil geen ruzie maar het is zo
ik heb een vader met een grote springstal op internationaal niveu