Zoals jullie in mijn profiel hebben kunnen zien heb ik een merrieveulen van dit jaar, Velvet genaamd. Nu heb ik haar papieren al eens aandachtig bekeken, maar ik als leek kan er weinig anders mee dan staren naar interessante namen,....... Daarom dat ik graag haar bloedlijn hierop zou willen zetten en jullie zou willen vragen om jullie kennis/ervaring/kunde/mening of whatever je te zeggen hebt hierover neer te zetten. Misschien dat je een van de hengsten of merries kent? Alle info is welkom!!
VV: Caretino (HOL) MV: Trika H
VVV: Caletto II MVV: Isidor H (HOL)
VMV: Romantiker MMV: Heurige
VVVV: Cor de la Bryere MVVV: Deka (HOL) VMVV: Metellus (HOL) MMVV: Corbala H
VVMV: G. Ramiro Z Preferent MVMV: Dedy H (HOL) VMMV: Herbstglanz MMMV: Zukunft
VM: White Magic MM: Justy
VVM: Weltmeyer MVM: Biene St. Pr.
VMM: Esteban MMM: Galaxy Ster Sport (dressuur)
VVVM: World Cup I MVVM: Anka H VMVM: Bolero MMVM: Wendula
VVMM: Wolfgang MVMM: Zanora Keur VMMM: E. Ramano Preferent Prestatie MMMM: Blandish Ster
Foto's van haar papieren:
Ik hoop dat het zo allemaal duidelijk te lezen is. Alvast heel erg bedankt voor de reacties!!!
Herbstglanz zit ook in die vos van mij als ik het goed heb. Ehm, als mijn pc weer eens wat beter is zal ik wel eens wat voor je neuzen. WEl allemaal bekende namen. Weet je, je kan bij google eens de naam en die van de vader intikken en zo kan je regelmatig goede info vinden
Laatst bijgewerkt door chantal1 op 27-11-02 21:09, in het totaal 1 keer bewerkt
Dank je Chantal! Misschien dat er meer mensen zijn die een paard hebben met een van dezelfde hengsten of merries in de bloedlijn als die bij mijn paard. Het zou leuk zijn om dan bijv. wat karaktereigenschappen van dat paard te weten. Ook ben ik wel benieuwd naar de vererving van de hengsten/merries in Velvet haar papieren.
Cheenook, een kwaliteitsvererver met een internationale status, die naast onmiskenbare springkwaliteiten ook over een buitengewone aanleg beschikt om in de dressuur op het hoogste niveau mee te draaien. In 1991 behaalde hij een derde plaats bij de hengstenproeven in klasse 1 van zijn jaargang. Daarna ging zijn dressuurcarrière van de klasse L en M naar boven, met tweemaal een finaleplaats in het Bundeschampionat voor dressuurpaarden. Ondertussen is hij succesvol op intermediare I en opgeleid tot Grand-Prix niveau.
Alle jaren in alle fokgebieden , waaronder vooral Holstein, Oldenburg en Hannover, staan zijn veulens vooraan op de veulenkeuringen. Mooie types, sterke bewegingen, correct gebouwd en met karakter,is de omschrijving voor zijn nakomelingen. Wat resulteert in hoge prijzen op diverse veilingen.
Zijn vader Caretino heeft een lange sportcariere achter de rug, was met Bo Christoffersen voor Denemarken zeer succesvol in landenprijzen en won met Ludger Beerbaum verschillende grote prijzen. Hij levert zowel spring als dressuurpaarden.
Moedersvader Romantiker was de eerste zoon van Ramiro in de fokkerij en heeft verschillende springwedstrijden met Kai Gerken gewonnen. Romantiker komt uit dezelfde stam als Cheenook , zodat een lijnenteelt in stam 628B opgezet werd. Romantikers grootmoeder is dan ook de over-overgrootmoeder van Cheenook. Dezelfde bloedlijn bracht verder de gekeurde hengsten Cameron, Alczaro, Linos, Rhenus en Feldherr. Cheenook’s afstamming beschikt over voldoende bloedtoevoor via de trakhener Herbstglanz en de Arabier Sahib, een waardevolle kruising!
http://www.foxfirefarm.net/caretino.html 16.2 Caletto II/Metellus/Aldato Born 1983, Stamm 826 Caretino brings his excellent breeding to us in the U.S. and we couldn't be luckier! This medium sized stallion with very strong, short back and small ears has proven to Fox Fire Farm that he is quickly becoming one of the most important sires in Holstein. Just reading his statistics confirms it. Already the producer of 18 stallion sons and 114 daughters, twelve of them State Premium. Caretino is convincing proof of good breeding. His sire Caletto II was the most important son of Cor de la Bryere. What is astonishing about Caretino is his ability to throw such unbelievable movement and jumpability. He has approved sons, Cheenook, Carpaccio and Cockney all who are some of the best movers we have ever seen in the Dressage ring. Caretinos' daughter, Ballerina is a current international jumping sensation. Caretino won his 100 Day Test and moved on to win the German Championships in Mannheim under Bo Kristoffersen. Under Ludger Beerbaum he continued his outstanding career until retired to stud.
Despite only standing for four seasons, Caletto II is shaping as the most important son of the jumping supersire, Cor de la Bryère. In the WBCSH top fifty rankings for 1991-2000, Caletto II ranks 16th thanks to the jumping efforts of 14 progeny - the most highly ranked being Operette la Silla and JewelÕs Classic Touch.
As is so often the case, Caletto is the product of one of those mares that ÔmakeÕ a breeder - Deka. Bred by Holstein breeder, Klaus-Martin Both, she produced eleven living foals before she died at the age of 23 - the eleventh being Caletto III. Deka is by Consul, the best son of the influential Thoroughbred, Cottage Son.
Amazingly all DekaÕs foals have competed at the highest level. All but one of her sons went on to become licensed stallions, and her daughter, Nathalie is the dam of a KWPN approved stallion! In 1973, Deka was bred for the first time to Cor de la Bryre, producing Cordeka who with Herbert Bloecker competed successfully in showjumping and eventing competitions. Bred to Cor de Bryre the following year, Deka produced the first of the three stallion full-brothers, I, II and III. There was a fourth product of the cross, born in 1976 who never made it to licensed stallion status. Caletto II was born in 1978 and Caletto III in 1984.
Caletto I (left) was approved in NeumŸnster in 1977 and passed his performance test at Medingen the following year. Posted to the Woehrden stallion station, he has almost completed his breeding duties for his first season, when he was kicked by a mare in the genitals, and despite the best of veterinary attention remained infertile for months afterwards. The Holsteiner Verband sold him to the showjumping rider, Michael Rüping and he went on to earn DM101,693, as well as a team bronze at the 1983 European Championships - it seemed his breeding days were over!
Caletto IÕs younger full-brother Caletto II was a sensation right from the start and was acclaimed Champion of his stallion licensing in 1980 - he was considered the perfect Holsteiner type. He also showed wonderful jumping technique, and later proved this in the showjumping ring with Herbert Bloeker, where the stallion won many tests for riding horses. At a regional show in September 1984, after being proclaimed best in the show, Caletto II was waiting to go into the arena, when he reared up, fell over and broke his neck! The distraught Holstein breeding authorities contacted Michael Rüping and persuaded him to test Caletto I once again - after a break of five years, the stallion was now producing fertile semen! Caletto I resumed his successful breeding career in 1986 and in the latest WBFSH standings was represented by 12 progeny who have taken him into 28th place in the 1991-2000 rankings - finishing 5th in the 1999/2000 standings. His most successful jumper has been Virtual Village Calvaro. He has also been a successful sire of stallions, most notably Camaro, Cantus and Cartusch. Just how great a loss, Caletto II has been is shown by the fact that he is ranked 16th in the standings for the past ten years, with his two megastars, Operette La Silla and JewelÕs Classic Touch contributing the bulk of the points. Calletto IIÕs son Caretino jumped internationally with Bo Kristoffersen and later with Ludger Beerbaum, and is himself the sire of Caretano Z, who was leading the 2000 TNT Sires of the World Standings, when he tragically died following colic complications.
A third full-brother, Caletto III was born in 1986. He too has embarked on a dual career - in the competition arena and the breeding barn, but he has yet to emulate the feats of his two famous brothers.
Cor de la Bryère Foaled 1968, France Imported to Holstein, Germany, 1971 Height 16.21/2 Stood at Siethwende from 1971 to 1984, Zangersheide 1985, Elmshorn 1986 to 1988, Sollwittfeld from 1989 until his death in 2000
Foxhunter Foxlight Chonia Rantzau xx Chavallise d'Ar Rancune Rockella Cor de la Bryère Furioso xx Lurioso Riquene Quenotte Landau Margot Kristine du B.M.
Cor de la Bryère is the stallion that revolutionised jumping horse breeding. His is the name astute breeders like to see, especially on the mare line for ‘Cord’ tends to give great form over a jump. His sire – the French Thoroughbred, Rantzau. Rantzau was bred to be a jumper being a descendent of the enormously influential Bay Ronald. Rantzau was by Foxlight by Foxhunter by Foxlaw by Son-In-Law by Dark Ronald by Bay Ronald. A serious racehorse, Rantzau was third ranked three year old of his year - in nine races between 2000 and 3000 metres, he won two and was placed five times. Purchased by the National Stud, he arrived at the stallion depot of Saint-Lô on January 5th, 1951. Of Rantzau, the stud inspector noted: ‘good front extension, remarkably built through the shoulder and fore-arm, long haunches, this classy stallion of rare nobility, also has low-placed joints and covers ground. Contrary to legend, the breeders in the area were quite enthusiastic about this well-bred, well-conformed and well-performed newcomer and between 1951 and 1962, he bred between 40 and 49 mares a year. In those days French state stud stallions were only allowed to breed 40 mares a year, plus the National Stud director’s cards used by him ‘in the interest of breeding’. In 1971 he covered his last book of mares, with five foals the result. In twenty years of breeding he covered 772 mares at an average of 38 mares a year for 179 fillies and 194 colts. His fertility of 50% was regarded as normal for the time. By 1964, Rantzau had moved into 3rd place on the ranking of aged sires of jumping horses, behind Lutteur B and Kenavo D, and the next year he moved into 2nd place with progeny jumping with success all over Europe, and held that second place until 1969. In 1970 he moved down to third place behind Ibrahim and Furioso, but the next year he moved into first place on the jumping rankings, as well as being in 5th place on the sire of eventers rankings - he was even ranking in the 20s as a sire of dressage horses. As late as 1976, when he had been dead for five years, Rantzau was still 3rd on the jumping sires rankings, by 1980 he had moved into 4th place. He remained for many years one of the leading sires of broodmares. On the bottom side, Cor de la Bryère was royally bred, out of Quenotte B, by Lurioso a son of the most influential Precipitation son, Furioso. In French jumping circles, Furioso had been a sensation, siring the 1964 Olympic gold medallist, Lutteur B and the world showjumping champion of 1968, Pomone B. Lurioso was himself a sire of international showjumpers. Cor de la Bryère almost never made it to the breeding barn. In 1970, the selection committee of the Haras du Pin visited his owner, Xavier Ribard and suggested ‘that is not breeding stock, he’s too much of a sport horse. Better geld him; he’ll make a useful gelding.’ The horse was now on the market – and it just so happened that the Holstein Association was looking for French blood, having seen the success of Furioso II and Futuro in Oldenburg. Oldenburg breeder (and showjumping ace) Alwin Schockemöhle was looking for a stallion star, and leased the Furioso xx son Urioso – however he was prepared to sub-lease the stallion to the Holstein Verband. Hence a Holstein inspection committee travelled to France to evaluate Urioso and in doing so, discovered Cor de la Bryère. Urioso ended up standing two forgettable seasons in Holstein while ‘Cord’ left an indelible mark on the Holstein breed, and jumping the world over. He was not only a sire himself but a sire of sires. The full brothers, Caletto I, II and III were stars, as were the brother quartet of Calypso I to V. In the jumping arena, his handsome grey son, Corrado has been a star for Franke Sloothaak, while Cordalmé Z with Gilbert Böckmann has also been successful at international level.
Right: Cor de la Bryere progeny continue to shine - at the 2001 European Showjumping champs, the Cor de la Bryere son, Broere VDL Corland, led the competition going into the final day. Corland is pictured here with his rider, Wout-Jan van der Schans
In his first season, Cor de la Bryère covered 70 mares at Siethwende and four colts from his first crop were licensed. He was a stallion of great vigour, and as late as 1977 served a full book of 111 mares. Although best known as a sire of jumping horses, Cor de la Bryère was also the sire of Corlandus, a World Cup Dressage Champion in 1989, and his sons Calypso I and Calypso II have proven a useful sire of dressage horses. Current German Olympic team member, Chacomo ridden by Alexandra Simons de Ridder is by Calypso I, as was Alexandra’s other FEI star, Champus. In Australia the influence of Cor de la Bryère has been strong through his son, Contact imported in 1976. Although subject to a vicious campaign of vilification by established breeders (with stallions of their own), Contact produced a number of international level competitors: Corroboree (Grand Prix dressage) and the showjumper, Talkind, ridden by Colleen Brook at the first WEG in Stockholm in 1990, and sold on to Italy. The Contact son, Northern Congress is the sire of Australian Grand Prix champion and World Cup representative Charisma.
Cor de la Bryère's most successful dressage horse - Corlandus
Calypso Classic (by Calypso II) was imported by Barbara Burrows, and after quite a successful dressage career, he has now gone showjumping. In Western Australia, Barrabadeen Stud imported two own daughters of Cor de la Bryère. More recently, two offspring of the Calypso II son, Carbid – the stallion Carbine and the mare, Cinderella, have been imported. Carbine has been a finalist at the Australian Young Horse Championships, while Cinderella won the five year old title in 2000. In the latest WBFSH ratings, Cor de la Bryère is ranked 18th with 28 points earning progeny, but there are a staggering 20 own sons on the rankings: Calando I, II, IV; Caletto I, II; Calvados I, II; Calypso I, II, III; Cantares, Carneval, Carte d'Or, Casanova, Cavalier Royale, Cinzano, Constant, Contact, Corrado I, Cortez 679, Cosinus. There are also 12 grandsons of Cor de la Bryère in the standings - not to mention important stallions like Cathago Z and Burggraaf - who are out of Cor de la Bryère mares.
Here is Romedio Graf von Thun-Hohenstein in his book, The Holsteiner Horse, commenting on Cor de la Bryère's shape over a jump: 'When the goal was to join the exciting powerful jumping ability of the Holsteiner with a sophisticated skill, combined with an ideal bascule, sooner or later a stallion such as Cor de la Bryère had to be selected. The arching back, like a taut band of steel combined with the super elastic end gives limitless, but always expedient, springing capability to the natural dynamics of each effort. Add to that ease of riding, marvelous disposition, and a floating, highly balanced canter. These qualities are absolutely to the benefit of young horses, who will no longer have to pay with premature breakdowns caused by jumping and showing solely with a raw, crude jumping talent.'
Two years ago he celebrated his 30th anniversary looking very fit, and last year on the gala evening of the Holsteiner approval in Neumünster he had his last great appearance: Cor de la Bruyère. On April 27th, the Anglo-Normanne, who was so very successful in the Holsteiner breed since 1971, had to be put away on the stallion station of Thomas Petersen in Sollwittfeld due to acute heart disease. In that place "Corde" - his affectionate nickname among the Holsteiner breeders - spend his last years carefully nursed and taken care of by the Petersen-family.
28 years ago Cor de la Bryère came from the Normandie, and the breeders found it difficult to remember his name. Today the French-bred is present in more than 70 percent of the Holsteiner pedigrees. At first Corde was standing on the famous stallion station Siethwende of the Holsteiner Verband. His groom Bruno Grigat and the stallion stayed there together for more than 14 years. In 1974, as the first sons of Corde entered the approval ring in Neumünster, his offsprings impressed due to an excellent technique and their suppleness when jumping combined with the scope of the Holsteiners. So the experts could only hope, that Corde would mark the Holsteiner breed once and for all.
With certain mares Cor de la Bryère developed so called suitable pairings, which must be outstanding in the whole history of horse breeding. The mare Tabelle (by Heißsporn) brought five approved sons in a row. First of all the sons Calypso I and Calypso II got big influence in the Holsteiner - and Hannoveranian - breeding of today. The mare Furgund (by Colombo) was bred by Cor de la Bryère 18 times and delivered five approved sons. One of them, Calando I, was German Champion in jumping with Karsten Huck, and today he is still one of the most important sires of the Holsteiner breed.
The mare Deka brought the approved stallions Caletto I, II and III by Cor de la Bryère. Calleto I was very successful in the international jumping circuit with Michael Rüping and today he is a demanded sire. The most important Cor de la Bryère-son for the breeding must be Caletto II, sire of the Olympic Champion Classic Touch, who lost his life by a tragic accident after only four years breeding.
The offsprings of Cor de la Bryère were also very successful in sport. First of all the dressage champion Corlandus, who was a highlight on the international dressage scene for many years, ridden by French Margit Otto-Crepin. The grey Corrado I, who has returned for breeding at the Holsteiner Verband, won several World Cup-qualifications under Franke Sloothaak. The overall winnings of Corde's offsprings amount to more than 4,5 mio. D-Mark. Cor de la Bryère leaves 49 approved sons and 536 registrated daughters, of which 86 received the state premium grade, to the Holsteiner breeding.
Metellus verre familie http://www.horsenl.nu/abtswoude/tkoliane.htm Grootmoeder Line is een merrie van inmiddels 23 jaar met veel adel en hardheid, die zeer goed heeft gefokt (afzonderlijk infoblad op aanvraag). Haar afstamming is meer dan goed met Rasputin (Ramiro x Ramzes), CordelaBryere en dan de merrie Nachtblüte van Ramzes. Deze laatste bracht ook de hengsten Metellus en Ulan.
G. Ramiro Z
[ vital.statistics ] Name: G. Ramiro Z Birthdate: xx.xx.1965 Predicate: pref
[ detailed.description ] G. Ramiro Z is a foundation sire for KWPN breeding. He was approved in many European studbooks and has been recognized as a progenitor whose influence was instrumental in developing modern equine fertility techniques. Ramiro fathered many champions. His offspring are known for their versatility. His place as "Stallion of the Century" is well-deserved, given his contribution to warmblood breeding throughout the world.
over hem is veel meer te vinden, probeer google eens zou ik zeggen
Vader van Herbstglanz http://www.mtlehmantrakehners.com/hadrian_spedigree.htm Komet Champion and top prize winning black stallion of particular beauty who stood as Chief Stallion at Schmoel, then went on to stand at the state-run establishment at Achselschwang in Bavaria where he contributed to the Bavarian horse breeding industry numerous premium mares and licensed stallions. A self-confident, lively and highly noble stallion, the impressive Komet possessed great body harmony and clear breed type. Komet was a great mover, demonstrating engergetic, rhythmical paces. With his valuable genes, Komet proved to be an important producer of excellent quality riding and competition horses. He has had a large impact on Trakehner breeding through his notable sons Gunnar, Herbstglanz, Hessenstein and Herbststurm.
Black, born 23rd April, 1998 , 163 cm, by Cheenook - Chairman - Cor de La Bryère (born 23 of april 1968)
A very special stallion, look-alike of the famous COR DE LA BRYERE. CORDE is the result of a refined breeding "technique" referred to as "Inbreeding", i.e. father and mother have same stallion in their pedigree. His mother CONTESSA descends from COR DE LA BRYERE in third generation (her father CHAIRMAN is a son of the famous S.F./HOLSTEIN) and his father CHEENOOK`s paternal line goes back to CARETINO/CALETTO II and then - greatgrandfather - COR DE LA BRYERE. Details find under http://www.scuderia-santo-stefano.com/corde.htm. CORDE with the looks of a real a champion is the radiant type with a great lot of self-esteem, presence and fascinating athletic movements. He is extremely goodnatured, intelligent and always keen to meet his rider`s demands. There is no doubt about his great potential for the future. Two of his elder sisters (Cyrenaika and Cindy Crawford) are already performing in difficult show jumping events in Germany. CORDE is being trained by GIANNI GOVONI ( 5th of the Show Jumping World Champioships 2002 in Jerez de a Frontera.) STUD FEE: 750,00 EURO Details from Associazione Allevatori del Friuli Venezia Giulia, Paolo Merlo Tel. 0432 672 184
GUt, tja, ik kan wel wat vertellen over mijn eigen paard. Geen gemakkelijk paard maar hij is immers ook een klophengst dus of dit nou zo'n reeël voorbeeld is weet ik niet maar alla. Toen hij hier net kwam was het een rotzak, was niet gek ook want hij is uit een schapewei geplukt en kon altijd zijn eigen zin doen. Iig, hij kwam op je af, kapte boven je, zette je klem, kon geen zadel op zijn rug krijgen, het bit amper in zijn mond, poetsen was ook een drama. Dominant, intolerant, hij heeft bijna mijn kleine pony afgemaakt. Enfin MAAR met veel geduld en liefde is hij inmiddels een paard waar je goud voor zou betalen, hij is ontzettend trouw, lief, aanhankelijk. Hij is eigenlijk een van de beste leermeesters geweest die je kon hebben wat betreft het rijden & het respect krijgen voor een paard; hij ging precies zo ver met eikelen gaan dat je het net aankon bij hem, hoe beter ik ging rijden hoe moeilijker hij werd. Was eigenlijk heel erg interessant. Een slof, martingaal oid werd door hem absoluut niet getolereerd. Hij heeft ook eens het leven van mijn moeder gered. Mijn moeder is trouwens degene die hem de basis van de dressuur heeft bijgebracht en hem tot op Z-niveau heeft getraind en later kwam ik en kon ik alles leren (lucky me!!!) Inmiddels is hij bijna 32 jaar, en is echt een lieverd die wel nooit meer zijn hengstenstreken zal verliezen en dit is ook helemaal niet nodig. In de vos van mij heeft hij een kleine protege gevonden waar hij zijn streken aan overleert (uitbreken enz.) Eigenlijk is hij te slim voor de mensen, maar ik kan met hem lezen en schrijven. Verder heb ik wel wat info gehad over Ramano maar ik kan het niet meer vinden dus als iemand iets weer over hem weet te vertellen zou ik dat ook wel leuk vinden.