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**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 13:25

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 13:25

A brand is a mark that the Studbooks used to place on foals that were registered with them.
As with most warmblood Studbooks the KWPN placed their brand on the horse's left hind thigh.
Most Lusi's and Andy's would also have some sort of brand, even if it is the breeder's own brand.

If you google 'Groninger paard' and "gelderlander paard" you will find many pictures of this type of horse.
These breeds are registered within the KWPN Studbook.

**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 14:48

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 14:48

You have to google for Gelders(gelderse paarden) because the Gelderlander doesn't exist. Well, the Gelderlander is a newspaper. But thats not what your looking for I guess.
If you check my profile you will find Gelderse Horses. And under my post you will find a link to de facebookpage of the Gelderse Horses.

Gelders is not a breed but a type off horse and is registred by the KWPN.

**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 17:47

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 17:47

If you type in 'Gelderlander paard' as I suggested in Google you will get a load of information and a whole photo page.

Gelders is an abbreviated form of the official name; this is the link to the site of breeders of this type of KWPN horse: http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/

**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 17:59

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 17:59

Peterina schreef:
If you type in 'Gelderlander paard' as I suggested in Google you will get a load of information and a whole photo page.

Gelders is an abbreviated form of the official name; this is the link to the site of breeders of this type of KWPN horse: http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/

Even in het Nederlands. I'm sorry for the Dutch

Nee Petrina.. De officiele naam is nooit Gelderlander geweest en dat is niet de officiele site
Het is altijd Gelderse Paarden, Gelderse, Gelders Type(Sgldt)) of Gelders Paardenstamboek geweest.

De site die je nu aanhaalt is vooral op negatieve informatie gebasseerd. Schoppen tegen het KWPN.
Het is wel een rijke bron aan afstammingsinformatie maar er staan ook veel paarden als Gelders vermeld die dat niet zijn.
De auteur/beheerder zou graag willen dat het Gelderse Paard een ras wordt en probeert met name in het buitenland deze naam(Gelderlander) in zwang te krijgen.

Dit is de officiele site/ This is the official site of the KWPN Gelders Type.
http://www.kwpn.nl/site/department_article/index/18

**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 21:12

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 21:12

Heb je ge-pbt.

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 03-02-12 21:32

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 03-02-12 21:32

(I use the qoute to anserw but its not specially to you)

I did google the breeds, all 3 of them are to... hmm mutch sporthorse? To long?
I think she is more square.

In the picture I got she is in a bad shape, the owners let a women borrow her and they did not care for the horse so she lost way to mutch fat and muscles. She has gained alot but still lack good muscles.
So if I can get it uploaded, have the understanding that the horse does not have mutch muscles and is thinn.

**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 21:39

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 21:39

Do you know how here sire and dam are?

**Geplaatst**: 03-02-12 21:59

Geplaatst: 03-02-12 21:59

As she stated in her opening post/message ... no and this is probably because the original passport/pedigree was lost and therefore an Equipas was obtained.

Because the breeders name, or name of registering person, is listed in the Equipas, the TS is hoping to be able to trace the mare's pedigree.

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 09:31

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 09:31

TS, are you sure that you are having the rigth chipnumber?
Normaly it are 15 numbers.

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 10:22

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 10:22

Maybe the KWPN can help you find her.
The name Sandy is a nickname I think. Her real name is starting with a N....
When you send an email to the KWPN, explain the situation, with the Birthday of te horse en de name en place of the Breeder they maybe can help you.
I don't think its a Lusitano or something, de Vries was breeding KWPN ers.

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 11:17

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 11:17

I know this horse.

I also know de owner en his daughter,.

This horse came form Portugal and is a crusado cross

she is very old....

pb me for more info

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 11:21

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 11:21

Ik hoopte al dat je kon helpen!

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 11:40

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 11:40

Sandy came with another horse Mandy back from portugal when de fam de vries moved back form portugal to tzummarum.This was in 2001/2002.

both were cruzados so without any pedigree.

Sandy was the youngest of the 2, mares, they both had a foal in holland too.

Both horse were used for driving, but they were also ridden.

A few yrs later the horses were sold as the fam de vries moved back to protugal again.

Sandy was when i knew her much darker.

The birthdates/years were guess, and we always thought they were older.

I had contact with Akkelien de vries the daughter and she said she was calles bij de knhs , as people asked for sandy...

She would be happy to have contatc with TS.

The story about the horse that she had a pedigree and lost papers or passport is NOT true.

This horse is born in portugal, with no pedigree at all. had no pasport or chip, all of that happenend when they came to holland.

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 04-02-12 11:55

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 04-02-12 11:55

Thank you so much!
I will immediately mail his daughter.

What is "crusado cross"?

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 13:18

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 13:18

what i mean with a cruzado is a horse with PRE or lusitano blood, but not 100%, a horse were no pedigree or parents are known off.

maybe it is not the right name to call them cruzado, as there are cruzados with pedigree ..

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 04-02-12 13:31

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 04-02-12 13:31

Aha.

But they believe Sandy atleast are part pre or lusitano?

Right now the ground is frozen and covered with snow and ice so she walkes gently, I tried her at the indoor arena yesterday and it was a different horse to ride but I think she can get an even better with time and correct riding.
They say she has pre-similar way to walk/move but her head looks more like a Lusitano.

I'm not so good at these two breeds. It does not matter if she is pre or Lusitano. She is so nice to ride that she weighs up to the unknown pedigree.

However, it would be great to hear about her past from holland and I sent a mail to the daugther.

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 13:53

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 13:53

she was laways little bit "hot" under saddle....in holland they werent ridden very often....they were used for driving and they were always very fast!!

they believe she has a part lusitano in her.

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 04-02-12 16:11

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 04-02-12 16:11

Thanks. She is calm an steady to ride nowdays. A least the two times i tried her.
However she is not in condition. It is gteat to hear about her past.

sigrid1182 schreef:
she was laways little bit "hot" under saddle....in holland they werent ridden very often....they were used for driving and they were always very fast!!

they believe she has a part lusitano in her.

**Geplaatst**: 04-02-12 17:48

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 04-02-12 17:48

probably she has been ridden more often then when she was in holland.

both horses( they were around 155cm) were healthy and strong and sound.

Horses that can worked with till older age....

Is Sandy owned by you?

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 05-02-12 22:19

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 05-02-12 22:19

I just bought her this evening.

**Geplaatst**: 06-02-12 07:49

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 06-02-12 07:49

congrats on your horse!!!

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 06-02-12 09:55

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 06-02-12 09:55

Thank you =)

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 06-04-12 22:49

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 06-04-12 22:49

I just wanted to thank you all again and let you know I got in contact with the person who did own her in Holland.
Sandy has been with me a little more than a month and I'm very satisfied with her.

She has (at least) 2 sons her in sweden, Mero and Exito that have a lusitano as their father.

Again, thank you for your help!

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 31-08-12 08:46

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 31-08-12 08:46

Thank you again everyone for the help.

We have been on clinic for the Spanish coach and rider Antonio Domecq and I wanted to show you a picture of the beautifull lady Sandy.

Regards Madeleine and Sandy

Afbeelding

**Geplaatst**: 31-08-12 09:42

Re: Looking for help to find the real identity of a horse.

Geplaatst: 31-08-12 09:42

Nice picture of you and Sandy. It's great to hear you know a little bit more about her past and that you had contact with her Dutch owner. Im glad some people her on the forum could help you.
Have fun riding her, and enjoy.

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