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russel schreef:Shadow klopt. Maar in de praktijk is daar al veel aan vooraf gegaan.
Citaat:Maar zomaar zoals wordt geimpliceerd, dat geloof ik dus niet. Dat de ouders uiteindelijk niet blij zijn met wat er nu gebeurd, kan wel ooit hun aanzet zijn geweest. Je hebt niet ineens hulpverlening aan je deurbel hangen...daar gaan familie, werkgevers, huisartsen etc. Aan vooraf. Een medisch dossier zal er vast wel zijn.
russel schreef:Alleen als ze gevaar voor haar eigen of een ander zijn gezondheid is, kan het onder dwang. Ik blijf het nog steeds dubieus vinden. Er moet een traject vooraf geweest zijn of gedrag van de patient die dit in de hand heeft gewerkt.
Wel vervelend voor ME patienten, maar dit zal uiteindelijk juist de goede pr geven voor de ziekte, helaas...
russel schreef:Nou lijkt het net of Denemarken een Nazi land is.
Citaat:Ik zie graag dingen van 2 kanten, ik zal nooit 100% achter een stoet aanlopen zonder zelf alle ins en outs te kennen. Helaas voor sommigen..
russel schreef:Het geval speelt zich af in Denemarken, toch en niet in Nederland, waarop de meeste stellingen in dit topic zijn gesteld.
russel schreef:Shadow klopt. Maar in de praktijk is daar al veel aan vooraf gegaan.
We kennen alleen de gevolgen in het verhaal, alle ins en outs zullen meer licht geven op deze rare situatie.
Maar zomaar zoals wordt geimpliceerd, dat geloof ik dus niet. Dat de ouders uiteindelijk niet blij zijn met wat er nu gebeurd, kan wel ooit hun aanzet zijn geweest. Je hebt niet ineens hulpverlening aan je deurbel hangen...daar gaan familie, werkgevers, huisartsen etc. Aan vooraf. Een medisch dossier zal er vast wel zijn.
,hopelijk gaat het muntje hier ook nog eens vallen
Citaat:Justice for Karina Hansen
This coming week all of us are waiting and holding our collective breaths as we wait to hear the outcome of a meeting of Karina's parents with the Chief Physician at Hammel Neurocenter.
The doctor, Stig Gerdes, and the lawyer, Paul Tørnæs, will be there to support Karina's parents.
About two weeks ago, Karina's mother posted this note* about the protest that took place in front of Per Kink's office and Hammel Neurocenter on August 12th to 16th, 2013.
"Thank you SO SO much to all who have arranged/participated/supported this demonstration for Karina. Because of your actions, today we were called by leading chief physician at Hammel, Merete Stubkjær. She would like to meet us - not next week but the week after - we do of course not know what will come out of it, but we will be talking with the management and then we are hoping that they will listen and understand that Karina needs proper care and that we want to see our daughter. Best regards from Karina's parents."
We do of course not know what will come out of it, or what the intent for the meeting is, but we are keeping fingers and toes crossed for a positive and rapid solution to this saddening situation.
We hope you will keep the Hansen family in your hearts and prayers this week as they move forward in their quest to not only get to see Karina for the first time in over 6 months, but to see her freed from Hammel entirely!
Justice for Karina Hansen thanks everyone for their ongoing dedication to Karina's fight for freedom!
(*This quote has been slightly changed to make the translation more understandable)
Citaat:Justice for Karina Hansen
*** New Statement from Karina Hansen's Parents***
We were given this statement by Karina Hansen's parents to release on our page:
We can not get permission to see Karina and ask if she wants to come home. We have been told Karina says no to visitors - which she also did at home because it is a big strain on her health, and especially now that she is forced to be active all day.
Nils Balle Christensen has asked a relative of Karina to visit her on several occasions. This is a relative that has not seen Karina in the years she was bedbound at home, nor has she spoken to Karina's parents. She therefore has no knowledge about Karina's condition prior to the incarceration, and she has not had any contact with Karina's immediate family after Karina was incarcerated.
The fact that ME patients can look fine, in spite of being severely ill, is important to know before judging how an ME patient is doing.
We have been told by Chief Physician Merete Stubkjær that this relatives visits to Karina have been very short, and that Karina have not been able to speak to her. She has been encouraged by the staff to come visit, and Karina has NOT been asked if she wants visitors.
if you don't agree with and support the treatment Karina have been put under by the psychiatrist in charge of treatment, Nils Balle Christensen, you will not have access to see Karina.
Physician Jens Gyring has told us that Karina has asked to go home several times. He says she is incarcerated and therefore can not decide for herself if she wants to be there or not. We do not know how often Karina has asked to come home, and we do not know what explanation they have given her as to why she cannot.
Chief Physician Merete Stubkjær says that Karina is not incarcerated and never has been. She says Karina can just walk out if she wants to, because the door is not locked. Which is a rather grotesque thing to say, as she knows that is impossible for Karina, who is unable to walk.
Karina has been given the diagnosis M.E. G93.3 by several doctors, amongst them a Danish and a Norwegian ME-specialist. The Danish specialist has seen Karina many times, and the Norwegian doctor has also seen her.
There are foreign experts that have offered to come and see Karina at Hammel, but psychiatrist Nils Balle Christensen is not allowing any ME experts access to Karina. Nor does he allow that the recommended tests for ME patients be taken and analyzed abroad.
Psychiatrist Nils Balle Christensen and Merete Stubkjær thinks that Karina may have had ME, but that it has passed and she now has a different disease. Nils Balle Christensen has reached this conclusion together with some other psychiatrists. Some of these are from England, and one of them is named Peter White.
The psychiatric diagnosis they have given Karina is not recognized by the World Health Organization.
We at one point, asked Nils Balle Christensen to contact the Norwegian ME specialist, because it is obvious he does not know much about ME, the answer we got was that this was not possible because she (the specialist) had lost her medical authorization. This is not true.
Physician Jens Gyring has told us that they have seen all the symptoms we told them Karina had, at Hammel, but that they are of a psychiatric nature and that she does not have ME. At the same time, he's changing between saying he has much knowledge about ME, to admit that he does not have any knowledge about ME.
Psychiatrist Nils Balle Christensen has previously said that it does not matter what diagnosis Karina has that she should be active and rehabilitated, and be treated with anti-depressants rather than just lying in bed.
The rehabilitation consists of daily taking Karina's bed outside, for some fresh air and daylight. Karina is light-sensitive and protects her eyes by pulling the covers over her head, but the staff says there is progress, and that Karina can now handle from five to ten minutes before protecting herself.
It happens regularly that there is a deterioration in Karina's condition, and the staff admits that this happens when they push her too hard.
After almost 9 months of hospitalization, with daily rehabilitation, Karina is still not able to walk.
Psychiatrist Nils Balle Christensen has declared Karina incompetent in any matters regarding her treatment. She is deprived the right to trust what she feels in her body.
What he doesn't know, is obviously not worth knowing. Karina has become an involuntary guinea pig for psychiatry.
We would also like to inform you that it was Karina's choice to go public with this story.
In the month of May last year, when the Danish Board of Health (Sundhetsstyrelsen) tried to incarcerate Karina for the first time, Karina expressed a wish herself that we should contact the media, hoping to stop this abuse, and get some approval and recognition of the horrible disease that Myalgic Encephalomyelitis is. Karina chose the pictures given to the public, herself.
We are very grateful for all the support and backing we are receiving from all over the world.
Thank you so much for that from Karina's parents and siblings.
moonfish13 schreef:Kippenvel.
ME/CVS is echt niet leuk. Ik heb CVS en bij mij bleek er wel een oorzaak voor te zijn.
Met een hoop expirimenteren ben ik al zoveel verder, maar ook mij wilden ze dus behandelen door telkens meer te doen.
Met als resultaat inderdaad dat ik dood en doodmoe was en weer tegen een burn out aan zat.