De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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Onderstaand 1 van de kritieken op het boek, alleen al over hfdst 19:
Wel in het Engels overigens
madeleine by Kate McCann. Summary & critique of chapter 19 ‘Action on Three Fronts’
14 May
SUMMARY AND CRITIQUE
Chapter 19 ‘Action on Three Fronts’
p. 280
Dr Kate discusses the need to appoint private investigators: “Once we were declared arguidos, it became frighteningly clear to us that [the PJ] were no longer looking for Madeleine. What they were looking for now, it seemed, was a conviction”.
p. 281
Dr Kate: “We had no option but to launch our own investigation”.
Dr Kate: “We knew nothing about private investigators…We pictured a smart, intuitive lone operator, scornful of authority, who somehow always manages to see what everyone else has missed and never fails to get his man”.
Dr Kate: “Venturing into unfamiliar territory [i.e. the world of private investigators] of any sort is never easy, and exploring the field of private investigation has been a total minefield for us. We were approached by many firms and individuals in several countries, all claiming to have the relevant expertise…How do you choose?”
p. 282
There is a lot of vague waffle about the investigation teams they have chosen…”…we have continued to review our progress and explore new strategies and options…often someone with something extra to bring to the search will come along…we change or add to the team to keep the search moving forward…the time and energy it takes to brief a new team is immense. Just bringing them up to speed is an exhausting and emotional process”.
Metodo 3 is discussed, with (not very convincing) reasons given why they were chosen.
p. 283
There is more waffle about how difficult it is to choose the ‘right’ investigators and how naïve and inexperienced they were in all this, then comes this:
Dr Kate: We have no doubt that Metodo 3 made significant strides, but unfortunately, in mid-December, one of their senior investigators [NOTE: Actually their boss, Francisco Marco!) gave an overly optimistic interview to the media. He implied the team were close to finding Madeleine and declared that he hoped she would be home by Christmas Gerry and I did not pay much heed to these bullish assertions”.
COMMENT: The McCanns were content for these utterly false, bogus claims to be recycled on front pages by British tabloids. Metodo 3 even had the effrontery to claim that they ‘knew Madeleine was alive’, that they ‘knew where Madeleine is’ and that their men were ‘closing in on the abductors’.
Besides that, Dr Kate claims that ‘Metodo 3 made significant strides’. But that claim is utterly contradicted by the plain fact that after the McCanns have used at least seven private investigation teams, and spent millions of pounds of public money, and after the expiry of four years, neither they, nor their lawyers, nor their advisers, nor their private investigators, can give any of us even one usable fact about who the alleged abductor might have been and where (if anywhere) he took Madeleine. The whole world has been asked to search for Madeleine, yet apart from two contradictory accounts of a person said to be carrying a child on the evening of 3 May (one man is said to have had ‘long black hair’, the other ‘short brown hair’), we have nothing.
Dr Kate McCann refers to Metodo 3’s lies about knowing where Madeleine is and falsely boasting that she would be ‘home by Christmas’ as “a glitch” (p. 283).
Dr Kate: “That glitch apart, Metodo 3 worked very hard for us and, just for the record, their fees were very low: most of the money they were paid was for verified expenses…we maintain good relations with Metodo 3 today. We had the sense that they genuinely cared about Madeleine’s fate…”
COMMENT: The McCanns’ accounts show that they paid Metodo 3 a lump sum of £250,000 for about six months’ work. Dr Kate in her book has totally ducked the involvement of Metodo 3 in financing a strange lawyer from Madeira, Marcos Aragao Corriea, to search the Arade Dam for Madeleine’s remains, an issue we cover in detail on our website: see John Whitehouse’s article: ‘The McCanns’ Private Investigators: We Investigate”.
There's not much else about their private investigations, though Kevin Halligen gets a mention.
Dr Kate writes (p. 283):
"We had one particularly bad experience with a man named Kevin Halligen (or Richard, as we knew him). Halligen was the CEO of a private-investigation foirm calld Oakley International which was hired by Madeleine's Fund for six months from the end of March 2008..."
She then refers to three 'phases' of the Halligen investigation, saying only that during the third phase, "...we began to have concerns".
Later (p. 284), she admits:
"Several months later, one of the investigators subcontracted by Oakley contacted us to demand paymet for his services. We had already settled Oakley's bill for this work months before, but apparently the company had not paid him. He was not the only one...We were upset..."
There is no mention whatsoever by Dr kate of any attempt by either the McCanns or by the Find Madeleine Fund to sue Halligen for his obviously fraudulent conduct.
p. 283
Dr Kate claims: “The first and second phases of the contract [with Oakley International] ran fairly smoothly; they had put in place systems to gather, collate, prioritise and follow up the information coming in as a result of appeals Gerry and I made around the first anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction. There is lttlle doubt that at that stage progress was being made”.
COMMENT: Again, what ‘progress’? Kevin Halligen and his Oakley International achieved precisely nothing. We must also remember that the fraudster and con-man Halligen and his essentially one-man band ‘Oakley’ outfit were falsely described by the McCanns’ reputation manager Clarence Mitchell as ‘the big boys of international private investigations’. That now seems like a calculated lie by Mitchell.
p. 284
Brushing aside the ‘Madeleine home by Christmas’ ‘glitch’ by Metodo 3 and the utterly disastrous and wasteful employment of Kevin Halligen, Dr Kate sails bravely on with: “For the most part, though, our experiences with independent investigators have been good”, once again ignoring the fact that, collectively, these highly-paid investigators have yielded precisely nil information of any use.
The arrival of Dave Edgar
Dr Kate now refers obliquely to the appointment of former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar (and his colleague Arthur Cowley) to head up their investigation. In other places, the McCanns say this came about in November 2008; please see articles on our website about Dave Edgar, notably the recent one (May 2011) again filed by our John Whtehouse.
Dr Kate writes: “Our current tried and tested team has more or less been in place, with a few modifications, since October. It is spearheaded by a former police officer…” [Dave Edgar].
There is then a paragraph puffing up the quality and expertise of their private investigation team, which once again we say has brought no results whatsoever of any practical value. Dr Kate: “…there is input from strategy advisers and specialists in various fields as required, enabling us to recruit the best-qualified people available to handle particular tasks…it’s a system with which we have made encouraging progress”.
p. 285
There’s a paragraph about Gerry and his work at Glenfield Hospital. Dr Kate: “Almost every evening, after the kids are in bed, he is at his computer or on the ’phone meeting the demands of his other job: continuing the campaign to find Madeleine”.
The next paragraph gives rather convoluted explanations as to why she ‘could not’ go back to work herself…“…I’m sure some of my patients would undoubtedly find it awkward dealing with me”.
Dr Kate: “…handling the mail is virtually a full-time job, and some projects, such a analysing the PJ files once they were released to us, have involved months of work”.
p. 286
Dr Kate talks about preparations for Christmas: “One morning in November, Amelie talked incessantly about her sister on the way to nursery, ‘Madeleine’s getting a big teddy bear for Christmas’…I was quite tearful…it was the mention of Christmas that tipped me over the edge”.
Dr Kate: “…O switched on the TV…and caught a review of next morning’s paper…I was confronted by Madeleine’s face on the front page of a tabloid beneath a headline screaming: ‘SHE’S DEAD’. I got little sleep after that. I thought I would never be able to stop crying. The pain was crippling”.
Later, Amelie said: “Mummy, Madeleine’s coming…Santa’s going to give her a big cuddle then bring her to Mummy’.
The McCanns went to relatives in Yorkshire and Scotland over Christmas. In Scotland, Amelie arranged the beds: “Girls together. Mummy, Amelie and Madeleine. I’ll save this place here for Madeleine’.
Dr Kate: “We had hoped that the judicial secrecy restrictions would be lifted early in 2008, giving us access to the police files…”
p. 287
On 8 January there was a newspaper headline: ‘IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR’…“How could the press be so heartless?”
The McCanns had consulted Adam Tudor of Carter-Ruck in 2007; now they consulted him again after some lurid headlines and ‘three completely untrue stories’ in the Daily Express.
p. 288
Carter-Ruck took on the case on a ‘no-win no-fee’ basis which “certainly made our decision a lot easier”. The Express Group “finally conceded that their stories were untrue”. They paid £550,000 to the Find Madeleine Fund. The McCanns had cited over 100 libellous articles in their claim against the Express Group.
There is then a homily on how the press should behave responsibly.
p. 289
The McCanns list their four main benefactors and helpers:
Brian Kennedy
Edward Smethurst
Richard Branson
Stephen Winyard.
The McCanns later got more damages from Associated Newspapers. The amount paid is not disclosed by Dr Kate. The ‘Tapas 7’ got £375.000. Robert Murat got £600,000 from four newspaper groups and then even more from SKY TV.
Dr Kate: “Adam Tudor and his colleague Isabel Hudson continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes. They have given us invaluable advice, for example, in our attempts to deal with the widespread defamatory material circulating on the internet. We have taken action against one or two websites, but it has proved almost impossible to get this stuff removed from some of them, particularly those hosted in the U.S.A…You could spend your whole life doing nothing but trying to shut down crank websites with little prospect of success”.
p. 290
The next few pages details the McCanns attempts to get linked to various ‘Missing Children’ campaigns, such as the proposed E.U.-wide ‘Amber Alert’ system. Dr McCann calls them CRAs – ‘child rescue alerts systems’.
Dr Kate: “It had always been part of our plan for the future of the Find Madeleine campaign to use our resources, and the attention focussed on us, to try to save other children and their families from the same nightmare…As a result of the unprecedented publicity surrounding our case, Madeleine’s image had become almost iconic, the face that represents all missing children”.
p. 291
There’s a paragraph about the ‘massive scale’ of the problem of missing and trafficked children – and a slew of statistics: “What is not in doubt is that the available statistics underestimate the scale of the problem”.
pp. 292-5
The next three pages discuss the E.U. Amber Alert system and the McCanns’ appearance at the European Parliament to campaign for its adoption across the European Union. Dr Kate writes (p. 298): “The media presence at the press conference that followed was impressive. We were told there hadn’t been such a turn-out since Prince Charles and the Dalai Lama had appeared at the parliament”. Dr Kate then gets quite worked up about the lack of E.U. action about the problem of missing children and writes in her diary on 1 March: “Unbelievable! I feel so angry with Europe and thus so-called European ‘Union’! We need to start demanding. We need information: everyone who was in Praia da Luz for a start”.
p. 295
Dr Kate: “If Madeleine’s abductor was a sex offender or a child trafficker, for example, the chances are that he would have offended before. I cast my mind back to what the British consul had told me in the police station in Portimao that first day about the reports there had been of intruders getting into bed with children. I needed to know more about this”.
Dr Kate spoke to the retired British consul on the Algarve who gave details of a meeting with tour operators in August 2006 when a minor spate of child molestations had occurred.
pp. 296-7
Dr Kate: It was believed that this offender (or offenders) watched for patterns and routines in a family’s behaviour, establishing ‘weaknesses’ in the security of the apartment and determined in advance where parents and children slept. Cold shivers ran down my spine as it hit home that this might have applied to us”.
Dr Kate: “I pressed the former British consul on what happened afterwards. Had there been an investigation? Had anybody been convicted? He wasn’t sure, but thought that an immigrant construction worker had been arrested and released pending trial, which was likely to take place some years down the line. Unbelievable!”
Dr Kate describes her visit to Washington with Gerry at the end of March. They met with Ernie Allen at the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children, then with Jeff Sedgwick, Assistant Attorney General and national Amber Alert Co-ordinator. They also met Ed Smart, father of Elizabeth Smart, who was notoriously abducted in very controversial and mysterious circumstances. A year later, Elizabeth Smart was in London and came up to spend a Saturday afternoon with the McCann family. Elizabeth was ‘amazingly well-adjusted…a real survivor, body and soul. I hope with all my heart that the same is true of our Madeleine”.
p. 298
The chapter concluded with the arrival of the PJ to be present while Leicestershire Police carried out s-called ‘rogatory’ interviews with the McCanns, their ‘Tapas 7 friends, and certain other witnesses.
“While we were finishing lunch [in Brussels], Clarence had a ’phone call from a Spanish journalist who told him that he’d been given what appeared to be witness statements made by Gerry and me to the Portuguese police…he was interested on Madeleine’ comment to us on the morning of the day she disappeared: ‘Why didn’t you come when Sean and I creid last night?’ I don’t think I need to remind anyone how I have been tortured by this question since the moment Madeleine was taken from us…As Clarence relayed this conversation with the journalist, I could feel my anger and frustration building. Not again! How many of the leaks would we have to bear before this whole nightmare was over? Needless to say, Clarence was besieged by calls from the media…The news of our efforts in Brussels would be spiked and replaced by ‘MADELEINE LEFT ALONE TO CRY; or whatever attention-grabbing headlines took the fancy of the sub-editors. I don’t remember many occasions when I’ve been as angry as I was that day…How had this information come to be released -completely illegally, I might add – today of all days ,when Gerry and I were trying to do something positive for child protection?…We were gutted…As we’d feared, the day’s McCann story changed and the media ran with the leaks from our statements”.
p. 300
Dr Kate: “We were determined not to let our frustration at this injustice get to us”. She explains that they lobbied until by September 2008 they had got the signatures of 418 MEPs in the European Parliament supporting the declaration in support of an E.U.-wide Amber Alert missing child system. Dr Kate: “We were relieved and delighted. We3 knew that this was no more than one small step in achieving our aim, but it had been a shot in the arm of a frustratingly slow bureaucratic process…”
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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En ja, ik verwacht ook tegen ca September tl dat er wel weer iemand is die meent Maddie gezien te hebben ......
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Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 25-06-12 12:15
Hetgeen dus nog meer vragen oproept. Tja als je eenmaal gelogen hebt moet je blijven liegen en worden verklaringen steeds onrealistischer
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ik ga ze zeker naast elkaar leggen!Ik ben nu rond de helft ongeveer en al lezende zijn er nu al veel dingen waarvan ik denk 'Huh, wat raar!'.
Er zitten heel veel aparte keuzes in, keuzes die ik persoonlijk echt nooit zou maken
Er vanuit gaande dat dat ze echt is verdwenen trouwens
Ben nu al wel erg benieuwd naar het andere boek!
Toch hoop ik oprecht dat ze ooit nog gevonden gaat worden. Gewoon om te weten wat er gebeurd is
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
Geplaatst: 25-06-12 22:10
Ik heb de ouders nooit vertrouwd, ze reageerden gewoon veel te raar in mijn ogen.
Ik vraag mij af hoe het voor de andere 2 kinderen moet zijn van die ouders...
die zijn over een paar jaar rond de 10/12 en dan slim genoeg om zich dingen te gaan afvragen.
Hoe moet dat voelen dat je oudere zus is "verdwenen" en je ouders zijn verdacht...
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Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 25-06-12 23:09
Anoli schreef:Lees dit topic nu pas, maar het is en blijft een vreemde zaak.
Ik heb de ouders nooit vertrouwd, ze reageerden gewoon veel te raar in mijn ogen.
Ik vraag mij af hoe het voor de andere 2 kinderen moet zijn van die ouders...
die zijn over een paar jaar rond de 10/12 en dan slim genoeg om zich dingen te gaan afvragen.
Hoe moet dat voelen dat je oudere zus is "verdwenen" en je ouders zijn verdacht...
Nou dat denk ik ook dus!! Daarom denk ik dat we ooit wel ns een keer de waarheid zullen horen.
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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Door Martin Brunt
Britse detectives onderzoeken de bijzondere melding dat Madeleine McCann's lichaam ligt begraven in de buurt van het vakantieappartement van waar zij verdween.
Een zelfbenoemde onderzoeker heeft politie grondradar scans gestuurd van – naar hij beweert – haar graf.
Stephen Birch zegt dat hij deze scans in de afgelopen week heeft genomen in het Portugese vakantieoord waar Madeleine vijf jaar geleden verdween.
Hij heet de informatie doorggeven aan Scotland Yard detectives, die de zaak opnieuw onderzoeken en zij hebben hem hulp geraagd om de ruwe data van de scanresultaten die de machine heeft verzameld, te interpreteren.
Het materiaal is ook aan de Portugese politie gestuurd, die 15 maanden na de verdwijning van Madeleine het onderzoek staakten.
Kate en Gerry McCann Madeleine's ouders Kate en Gerry McCann geloven dat ze nog in leven is
De heer Birch, een ontwikkelaar van commercieel vastgoed in Zuid-Afrika, geeft toe dat hij "geobsedeerd" is door het Madeleine mysterie. Hij zegt 40.000 pond te hebben uitgegeven aan de grond penetrerende scanner en training in gebruik ervan. Hij stelt: “Ik wil al het mogelijke in het werk stellen om het mysterie op te lossen en de familie uitsluitsel te geven. Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat ik de plaats waar ze ligt heb gescand. Ik heb de resultaten van de scans geanalyseerd en daarop is zichtbaar dat er is gegraven, een leegte en iets wat lijkt op menselijke botten. Scotland Yard heeft beloofd altijd potentieel nieuw bewijsmateriaal te onderzoeken en door te geven aan de Portugese autoriteiten.
Eerder dit jaar zei de detective die belast ismet het onderzoek dat hij geloofde dat er een kans was Madeleine nog in leven was.
Ze was bijna vier toen ze verdween spoorloos uit het appartement in mei 2007.
Ondanks tientallen potentiële waarnemingen over de hele wereld is er geen geloofwaardig bewijs gevonden dat aantoont of ze leeft of dood is.
Haar ouders Kate en Gerry McCann geloven dat ze nog in leven is en zou geen commentaar geven op de heer Birch de vorderingen.
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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Voor het meisje hoop ik dat ze niet meer leeft en dat ze geen pijn heeft geleden.
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Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 08-07-12 13:15
Lauren_ schreef:De hetze is weer heropend. Hoe het zit weet ik niet, de politie in portugal heeft zaken niet goed aangepakt. En we weten allemaal precies hoe we zouden reageren als ons kind weg was. Right!
Voor het meisje hoop ik dat ze niet meer leeft en dat ze geen pijn heeft geleden.
De zaak is nooit gesloten geweest. En de de "hetze" zoals jij het noemen wilt is ook nooit gesloten. Ik weet in ieder geval wel dat ik al het mogelijke zou hebben gedaan om eraan bij te dragen dat mijn kind zo snel mogelijk gevonden zou worden, in plaats van het onderzoek tegen te werken, zoals de ouders hebben gedaan. De politie in Portugal heeft inderdaad de zaken niet goed aangepakt. Ze hadden vanaf het allereerste begin de ouders als verdachte moeten aanmerken, op basis van het feit dat in het overgrote deel van verdwijningsgevallen op deze leeftijd de ouders of mensen in de directe omgeving betrokken bij de dood van het kind. Ten tweede hadden ze het gevonden DNA materiaal naar een onafhankelijk laboratorium moeten zoeken en niet naar het FSS Engeland, die het bewijsmateriaal na onderzoek heeft vernietigd. En de ouders niet naar Engeland laten terugkeren. Er zijn hele rare dingen gebeurd gedurende dit onderzoek, zoals bijvoorbeeld het van het onderzoek halen van Amaral op verzoek van Gordon Brown, zo bleek uit de gelekte Wiki geheimen. De overheidsrelaties Engeland / Portugal stonden onder druk.
Uit de hele commotie over de Leveson enquiry - het onderzoek naar het afluisterschandaal rond en de val van News of the World, 1 van de kranten van de zeer invloedrijke krantenmagnaat Murdoch, blijkt dat de media van Murdoch (wast zijn handen in onschuld) via Rebekkah Brooks (voormalig hoofdredacteur van News of the World) een dikke vinger in de pap had bij de overheid en informatie kreeg van corrupte politieagenten over diverse zaken. Dezelfde die ervoor zorgt dat alleen op een positieve manier over de McCanns wordt geschreven.
Dat de McCanns invloedrijk zijn is duidelijk en door de Portugezen waarschijnlijk onderschat. .Een van de theorieen is dat Gerry lid is van de orde van de vrijmetselarij (Masons) en via deze weg Gordon Brown, waarvan bekend is dat hij vrijmetselaar is, kende. En goede contacten in de media blijkend uit een telefoontje naar Sky News nog voordat de politie arriveerde, zodat de McCanns hun versie direct in het nieuws konden brengen.
Dit zijn maar enkele grepen uit het zeer dikke dossier over de zaak. Voor alle betrokkenen hoop ik dat er eindelijk een einde komt aan het mysterie. Voor Madeleine hoop ik inderdaad dat ze niet veel heeft geleden, maar ook op gerechtigheid voor haar. Want hoe kan het nu toch gebeuren dat je met 3 kinderen op vakantie gaat en met 2 terugkomt, met de wetenschap (hebben ze zelf toegegeven) dat ze hun kinderen alle avonden alleen in een (onafgesloten?) appartement hebben gelaten en je geen strobreed in de weg wordt gelegd. Terwijl in Engeland andere ouders die iets soortgelijks doen bestraft worden en hun kinderen uit huis geplaatst?
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 10-07-12 09:27
Maar dit is wel 1 van de meest intrigerende verdwijningszaken die ik ken. Juist omdat, zoals Mavelle zegt, de ouders onbegrijpelijk gedrag hebben vertoond.