De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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Juist ja, daar waar veel lijken liggen.
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Transcript to follow
A few points raised in the Talk Show (while I'm translating other articles)
Most, if not all, suspects that we heard about in the media in the past 2 years are leads of the English investigation;
Gonçalo Amaral is penniless, he has nothing left, he has even starved, getting by with friends help, all due to his assets being frozen since 2009. "He deserves to be miserable and feel fear." - Kate McCann;
Jane Tanner never left the table that night, questions whereabouts of Russell O'Brien;
Following the out-of-court settlement that was refused by the four defendant parties, McCanns have asked the judge to postpone trial till September, judge refused;
Gonçalo Amaral continues to be the target of lawsuits each time he appears on TV;
more issues...
Ben benieuwd naar de vertaling van de uitzending. Vooral dat Jane Tanner blijkbaar nooit de dinertafel heeft verlaten op de avond dat Madeleine verdween. En dat vragen gesteld worden bij waar haar man Russel O Brien uithing.
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De uitzending herkauwd de dingen die we al weten, hoor, niet iets om met spanning naar uit te kijken.
Hernâni Carvalho is voorlichter over justiciele dingen in een ochtend praatprogramma. Hij was daar naar aanleiding van het feit dat er weer gezocht (en niks gevonden is) en de zaak dus weer in het nieuws is.
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Re: De verdwijning v. Maddie McCann, volgt iemand hier dit nog?
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En aan de uitspraak van Kate, die Babootje plaatst, te zien knijpen ze 'm behoorlijk.
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Het is geen nieuws, maar een analise van de bestaande feiten. Het tweede deel is interessanter, want dat gaat oa ook over wat normaal is bij een verlies van een kind.
Hij zegt wel heel duidelijk: Ik zeg niet, heb nooit gezegd en zal nooit zeggen dat het echtpaar iets te maken heeft met de dood van het kind.
Ik luister verder zonder aandacht, zal straks nog wat aandachtiger opnieuw luisteren en kijken of ik er dingen uit kan halen die het melden waard zijn.
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"Het aantal tegenspraken in de verklaringen van de Britse politie is gewoon belachelijk. Ik houd van Britse humor, maar hier heb ik geen geduld meer voor. De dingen die we allemaal moeten goedkeuren voor dit circus... Het is gewoon een circus, meer niet."
Hij heeft het over kosten van zesmiljoen pond tot nu toe voor de operatie. "Niet zo veel" spot hij.
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Enough!
6 years with all of his assets frozen so he can pay, just in case he looses, the 1,2 million euros demanded by the McCann couple for the "rights, freedoms and guarantees of the family" that were violated, as they allege by a book and a documentary, based on the same title, which they were able to ban in a connected lawsuit.
A book, they claim, which has interfered in the searches for the child. Searches which would have had another outcome if only Kate McCann had answered the 48 questions asked by the PJ, or if, they had done the reconstruction requested by the PJ in 2007, or if the couple had not omitted to the PJ investigation the e-fits that were suppressed since 2008, which were only released last year, in October, by the Metropolitan Police. Not to mention the multiple interferences of spin doctors and illegal private detectives who boycotted the PJ investigation with red herrings, with impunity.
Meantime to save his family from further property losses, Gonçalo Amaral got divorced. He lost his father, became ill, poor to the point of only getting by with the help of friends. His lawyer is being paid with a defence fund that we, PJGA (http://pjga.blogspot.com/), created in 2009, whose donations come mostly from English people.
The trial which continues this Monday, has also held sessions during 2013, sessions that were not properly addressed and divulged by the Portuguese media.
From the witnesses inquired in favour of the McCann couple follows that:
1) The Mccann couple has people monitoring the social networking sites who besiege those, like me, who impart opinions or make translations about the case;
2) That most witnesses have never read the process and only echo the couple's mantra;
3) That the McCann couple is vindictive and wishes above all to see Gonçalo Amaral suffer, seemingly even more than they wish to know what happened to Madeleine (as if they don't know it already)
Kate and Gerry who didn't even came to accompany the Metropolitan Police search for their daughter's remains, are however already in Portugal to attend the trial on Monday, according to a resident journalist in Luz.
And I quote: "He deserves to be miserable and feel fear." Kate McCann's own words in the book titled 'madeleine', written exactly like that without a capital letter.
The Portuguese mainstream media also failed to report the fact that the McCanns, following the poor performance of their witnesses, asked the four defendant parts - Gonçalo Amaral, TVI, Guerra e Paz and Valentim de Carvalho Produções for an out-of-court settlement, reason why the trial was postponed.
They have also failed to report that the Judge considered that Kate and Gerry McCann did not possess authorization to initiate proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of their daughter, because the child was placed under the tutelage of a British court, ie a 'Ward of Court'.
I wish to clearly state here, that I consider guilty for the destruction of this man's life the McCann couple, Clarence Mitchell, Salvador da Cunha's Lift Consulting (McCanns PR's in Portugal), Dr. Isabel Duarte and Dr. Rogério Alves, and also the Portuguese state, politicians from both right and left wings who turned a blind eye and the PJ Directorates for allowing Gonçalo Amaral (as well as other PJ inspectors) to have been vilified, ridiculed, reduced to poverty, in what is clearly a revolting case of injustice.
My solidarity is with Gonçalo Amaral and his family, and all those who were victims of this couple, a couple who should have been, at least, taken to court for exposure and abandonment, ie for their negligence.
This is my opinion as a Portuguese citizen, "so sue me McCann"!
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Gonçalo Amaral says that information provided by a woman who saw Maddie's father walking towards the beach disappeared from the files.
A few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve, May 3, 2007 (seven years ago), a witness emerged: a British tourist who said she saw the girl's father to walk the beach at night. The revelation was made by the former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who adds that the data of the witness disappeared.
"We tried to recover this testimony and the documents that were in the British sphere and simply disappeared. Still do not know who this person is and where it is," said Goncalo Amaral. Today, the former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão will meet up again with Gerry and Kate in the Justice Palace, in Lisbon, since it will continue the trial in which the British couple seeks EUR 1.2 million compensation for publishing the book 'Maddie, The Truth of the Lie', written by Goncalo Amaral, in defending the thesis that parents are responsible for the disappearance of the girl and the concealment of the body (see box). Goncalo Amaral has no doubts that Maddie is dead. "The girl's parents had the key of the church and in the same church a funeral a month after the disappearance was performed. According to some reports, the child could well go to the feet of this woman who was going to be cremated," further explained Gonçalo Amaral.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/notic ... aso-maddie
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Parents of Madeleine McCann claim compensation of EUR 1.2 million for defamation, the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral
Gonçalo Amaral delivered this Monday at 1. Th Civil Court of Lisbon, a repeal of the attorney of his lawyer, which delayed the start of the trial of a libel suit brought by the McCanns to former PJ inspector.
The judge in the civil trial is now considering whether the trial should proceed or be postponed, a source told Lusa court. For the McCanns lawyer, Isabel Duarte, a solution that allows the trial to take place, since the parents of British child Madeleine McCann moved from England to the purpose of the hearing on Monday to be found.
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Wat een
mensen, die arme man helemaal kaalplukken terwijl hun dochter ergens ligt te rotten.Heb ook die boeklink of wat het dan ook was gelezen, maar vond die erg langdradig en steeds in herhaling vallen.
Vind K en G hele enge mensen.
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13 June 2014 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment
Photo by Mike Teskowski 2010 | Courtesy of Pamalam files
Announced visits and other secret, keys provided against the wishes of the Bishop, the priest wife agitated, finished constructions and searches never made. What is it that the church of Praia da Luz has?
by Hernâni Carvalho
On the night of their daughter's disappearance, the McCann couple asked for a priest. The priest of the Luz church, José Pacheco, did not respond. The couple knew, even before they had gone to Praia da Luz, that the Anglican priest Haynes Hubbard celebrated masses there and lived with his wife. He had a friendship with McCann's family members. It was with him whom they spoke with. Some days later, Gerry and Kate received the church keys, and since then they were able to enter and leave at any time. A situation that was criticized by the Bishop of the Algarve at the time. When questioned on this discretionary act, the priest José Pacheco said: "Do I decide that?!"
McCanns visited the church in secret
"Although our pain feels much rawer here, it is comforting at the same time since we feel closer to Madeleine - we can read in a press statement sent to Lusa news agency in 12th December 2009, by the McCann's Portuguese PR, in connection to the couple's visit to the church. During the day, the visits were announced and followed by the media. The exception was made in the early hours of January 14, 2010 [issues with date/see references bellow]. At 5am they were seen and photographed leaving the church from a side door. In the afternoon they gave a press conference.
Wife of Priest worried
The forensic psychologist Paulo Sargento asked the bishop of the Algarve Dom Manuel Quintas, if any catholic can go to the church at any time.
Hernâni Carvalho - How did you get to talk with the bishop?
Paulo Sargento - I sent a registered letter with acknowledgement of receipt early on, in January 2010. Since I got no reply, about a month later, I sent an e-mail with the questions that I had. Four days later, it was the Bishop himself who replied, also by e-mail, apologizing for the delay in the answer. A hearing was scheduled for two or three days later.
Hernâni Carvalho - And you felt clarified?
Paulo Sargento - The hearing took place in February, at the episcopal see of Faro. The Bishop received me kindly. We talked about an hour. I had already been informed about a McCann visit to the church in the early hours and wondered if the Bishop was aware of that and I also wished to understand if any other catholic could do the same. Dom Manuel Quintas confirmed the McCanns had indeed been in the church on that day at 5am, that the person who had given them the key that night was Susan Hubbard, the wife of the Anglican priest, who had a key to the church at all times since her husband celebrated the Anglican mass there. Susan assured the Bishop the McCanns wanted to pray without being harassed by the media. However, the Bishop told me: “I don't understand, that day at 17pm there was a mass where they went, surrounded by the media”. Dom Manuel Quintas also added that when Susan Hubbard found out about my hearing request, she got scared and inclusively, sought him, very worried. The Bishop told me that he answered her queries saying that she should not be so worried if nothing unusual or wrong had happened.
Hernâni Carvalho - Did the Bishop avoid discussing any issues?
Paulo Sargento - No. I'm not going to give you details, but the Bishop was very open and did not flinch at anything I asked to him. He was willing, even, to resume contact for further questions or more information I needed. Interestingly, in that summer (2010), Kate spent a week vacation in Canada, in the house of a family member of Susan Hubbard, the wife of the priest.
Construction Works
Back in 2007, the public area of the Village of Luz had been for months undergoing sanitation improvements and road works. Behind the church there were ongoing construction works. Being a place of worship, various legal issues hampered a search there. At the time, PJ sources admitted to the possibility that the girl's body could have passed through that location, or even, to have been buried in the deactivated cemetery.
End of page 98
The Big Bluff
The British police came to Portugal to investigate the Maddie case. They dug and went into the sewers looking for a dead girl or clues that could lead to her whereabouts. The PJ had said the very same and had done those searches seven years ago.
“A movie for the English to see”, said an elderly lady, mockingly, to CMTV recently. One and a half year ago the English police announced that they would find the girl in a few days. So far nothing. Scotland Yard's work in Portugal is discussed by all in a very critical way. “They haven't done anything that our PJ hasn't done years ago”, stated a Portuguese in the same area. The searches are causing discontent among tourists and locals as they consider them detrimental to tourism, now that the peak season begins.
Show Off
The British police wanted the searches to be accompanied by the media but the PJ refused. Since the 2nd of June, Praia da Luz in Lagos has a large team of policemen, geologists, archaeologists, cutting edge technology and also sniffer dogs. They all come from England “under the supervision of PJ and the Public Prosecutor Office”. In addition there are PJ inspectors, GNR military officers on foot and horseback and Portuguese forest sappers. A setting worthy of a Hollywood blockbuster movie.
Stones, socks and bottles
The searches and excavations of the English police in Luz highlights the acknowledgement that they are looking for a body. The PJ had reached that same conclusion seven years ago. The English police began by excavating a field near Rua 25 de Abril, 600 meters away from the apartment from where the girl disappeared. An area equal to three football fields, a slope hill, which belongs to the Belmiro de Azevedo Group [SONAE] and is frequented by locals and tourists for leisurely walks. They collected animal bones, two cannabis plants, stones, soil samples, a sock and bottles and kept everything in boxes.
Nothing
There are no findings to sustain the theory of the British authorities. They argue that Maddie's body is in that place or that there are clues that may lead to her whereabouts. They also claim that they have a group of eight suspects(?). Explaining that they have extended the searches because they have concluded (only now?) that the terrain is more difficult to analyse than predicted. These places had already been thoroughly searched by the Portuguese police immediately after the disappearance of the girl. In fact, until September 11, 2007, the PJ had investigated over 2500 false leads.
Millions of Euros
The 37 officers of the London Metropolitan Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine have cost the British Crown about 6 million pounds (7.4 million euros). Besides the first investigation, Portugal has had a team of six inspectors of the PJ in Faro, for months, just to carry out the the steps requested by the British and another team of inspectors from the Northern Directorate of PJ, doing a review of the first investigation for the last two years. No one has, so far, established the total cost to our country. The McCanns moved in early July 2007 for the Villa Vista Mar. At the average values of the property market at the time, the total rent was calculated to have surpassed 6000 euros. The Renault Scénic where biological traces were found, allegedly belonging to Maddie, was rented for 113 days, at the list price it costed 7990 euros.
Maddie
3 May 2007
In Praia da Luz in the Algarve, the parents of Madeleine, who would be four years old just a few days later, cried "abduction" when they noticed Maddie had disappeared from the apartment where they had left her alone with her younger twin siblings. "Homicide", said the PJ a few days later. After a lot of press, suspects, searches, investigations to everyone's taste and seven years later, there is nothing.
in TVMais magazine, Nº1117, 13 to 19 June 2014, paper edition, pages 98 & 99 - with many thanks to Maria
En Español en el blog de Mercedes
Em Português no blogue da Maria
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New revelations as McCanns go all-out for €1 million in damages
As Gerry McCann was due to testify today (June 16) in the long-running civil action for defamation that he and wife Kate have taken out against former detective Gonçalo Amaral, damning new claims about his behaviour on the night three-year-old Madeleine disappeared have appeared in the Portuguese press.
On Sunday, the headline of a story carried by Correio da Manhã proclaimed “Gerry searched for Maddie drunk”, while in the evening the policeman whose inconvenient theory the couple is demanding over a million euros in damages for went on television to describe how a key witness had placed Gerry McCann on Luz beach on the night Madeleine went missing - but how that witness’ testimony has since been “wiped from police records”.
The first story hinged on an account from farmer and former fisherman Cândido Furtado who lives a short walk from Luz church overlooking the beach.
Furtado told journalists how he had seen Gerry McCann “totally drunk” calling Madeleine’s name in the street in the early hours of the morning after she reportedly vanished.
“The father was walking at 1am with a bottle of wine in his hand,” Furtado told CM.
“He was calling the child’s name outside my door, and I asked him ‘what kind of noise is this?’ He said: ‘Menina, menina, embora, embora’.”
Father and grandfather Furtado said he told Gerry McCann to call the police, and then went fishing.
But as CM adds, “he had no doubts that Gerry McCann was drunk”. “You could see it instantly, by the way he was walking,” he told the paper.
Intriguingly, hours later, former police inspector Gonçalo Amaral went on air on CMTV to say Gerry McCann had also been seen on the beach on the night Madeleine went missing - but that the witness who placed him there (a British tourist) had her testimony wiped from police records.
“We have tried to recover the testimony and the documents that related to it. They simply disappeared. Still today we don’t know who this person is, or where she is,” he told the news channel.
Even more intriguing perhaps is a letter received in The Resident offices today claiming that Madeleine’s body is indeed buried in Praia da Luz, but not in any of the places searched so far.
Madeleine will be found under a nearby driveway to a private house, “very possibly inside a missing carry all tennis bag", wrote South African investigator Martin Van Wyk, who maintains the truth lies with the Tapas 13 - not the Tapas 7 “as everybody was made to believe”.
Adding that he knows his email, sent to a number of news sources and investigating police, “will be pushed to one side”, Wyk advises recipients “do not delete it, as you will later refer back to it and be calling me”.
As we wrote up these developments, Sky News reported that Gerry and Kate McCann had not yet been able to give their “victim impact assessments” to the Lisbon court. There has been a “delay in the proceedings”.
Whatever happens today however will not lead to any instant verdict. The case, which was brought out against Amaral in 2009, will need “a few weeks” consideration before the judge contacts the legal teams on both sides with her final decision.
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En nadien moest Kate van hem gewoon haar mond houden, of iets verklaren dat al voorgekauwd was.
Dat kun je in alle interviews zien.
Dus dat ze elk op een eigen manier het verdriet verwerken is niet raar.
En ze waren allemaal al bezopen aan tafel toen Kate meldde dat Maddie weg was.
Vind het ook niet zo raar dat zoiets uit een rapport verdwijnt, eerlijk gezegd. Het is geen spoor, geen bewijs ergens van.
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Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 18-06-14 16:45
Lusitana schreef:Dat Gerry dronken gezien is vind ik niks raars. Wat moeten ze anders doen, rustig naar bed? Dat Kate en Gerry niet zo saamhorig met elkaar omgingen was al gebleken, ze deden amper iets samen.
En nadien moest Kate van hem gewoon haar mond houden, of iets verklaren dat al voorgekauwd was.
Dat kun je in alle interviews zien.
Dus dat ze elk op een eigen manier het verdriet verwerken is niet raar.
En ze waren allemaal al bezopen aan tafel toen Kate meldde dat Maddie weg was.
Vind het ook niet zo raar dat zoiets uit een rapport verdwijnt, eerlijk gezegd. Het is geen spoor, geen bewijs ergens van.
Dat is ook niet de verklaring die uit de politiedossiers is verdwenen. Er zijn twee verklaringen 1 van een Portugese cafehouder die Gerry idd dronken heeft gezien.
De andere verklaring - de verklaring die uit de dossiers is verdwenen - is van een Britse toeriste die Gerry heeft zien lopen richting strand in de nacht dat Madeleine verdween.
British police hiding evidence in Maddie case
Gonçalo Amaral says that information provided by a woman who saw Maddie's father walking towards the beach disappeared from the files.
A few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve, May 3, 2007 (seven years ago), a witness emerged: a British tourist who said she saw the girl's father to walk the beach at night. The revelation was made by the former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who adds that the data of the witness disappeared.
"We tried to recover this testimony and the documents that were in the British sphere and simply disappeared. Still do not know who this person is and where it is," said Goncalo Amaral.
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Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 03-07-14 15:16
Aan de andere kant zijn er een heleboel "rode vlaggen" die richting de ouders wijzen.
Amaral is overtuigd van een doofpot scenario en dat dit laatste onderzoek nodig is om te kunnen zeggen "Madeleine is dood en we hebben niks kunnen vinden". Hij zegt dat de enige kans is om dit op te lossen als er "mensen" gaan praten. Er zijn aanwijzingen dat de Britse geheime dienst is betrokken.
Laatste tijd zijn er aardig wat Pedo schandalen bij vooraanstaande Britten, zoals bijvoorbeeld Jimmy Savile (oud top of the pops presentator en filantroop). Alhoewel er geruchten de ronde gingen is jarenlang de hand boven het hoofd gehouden, maar wat er nu over hem (na zijn dood) naar buiten komt is echt om te kotsen. Hij heeft honderden kinderen misbruikt van alle leeftijden (t/m baby's, maar ook gehandicapten, bejaarden en zelfs doden in het mortuarium van de instelling waar hij een soort van vrije toegang had.
Er zit een luchtje aan de hele verdwijning van Madeleine. Een heel vies luchtje volgens mij.
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Klinkt een beetje als waar Peter R de Vries een paar maanden geleden over sprak. De aandacht van de ouders afleiden, juist OM ze aan het praten te krijgen?
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Janine1990 schreef:Maar dat de Portugese politie zo meewerkt, vind ik wel opmerkelijk...
Klinkt een beetje als waar Peter R de Vries een paar maanden geleden over sprak. De aandacht van de ouders afleiden, juist OM ze aan het praten te krijgen?
Ik hoop dat je gelijk hebt maar ik vrees....
Portugese politie werkt mee wegens diplomatieke betrekkingen.
Er zijn zoveel onderzoekslijnen die nog gevolgd konden worden.
Neem de verklaringen van het echtpaar Gaspard die wijzen naar een mogelijk pedoseksuele David Payne.
Of de documenten die door Justine McGuiness de eerdere PR dame van de McCanns werden achtergelaten onder de sofa die door de Portugese politie werden gevonden na het vertrek van de McCanns naar Engeland.
Deze bevatten een omschrijving van een desolaat gebied in de omgeving van de Vascao rivier met een code die door de Portugezen niet ontcijferd kon worden. De mobiele telefoongegevens die op de dag voor op en vlak na de verdwijning van Madeleine uit Kate en Gerry's telefoon gewist waren. Een onbekend nummer uit Swansea waarvan Kate zei dat het iemand was die verkeerd verbonden was. Toevallig genoeg is dit nummer wel gebeld vanuit de desolate omgeving van Vascao river. De Portugese politie heeft mobiele telefoongegevens opgevraagd bij de Britse provider, maar kregens ze gewoon niet. Geweigerd op last van de Home Office (Binnenlandse zaken).
De politieke druk op de zaak was enorm. Er was maar 1 onderzoeksrichting mogelijk: de ontvoering. Directe inmenging van de destijds Britse premier Gordon Brown. Er werd ook een door de Overheid aangestelde PR functionaris opgezet: Clarence Mitchell.
Dit is wel een interessant topic om te lezen.:
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