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**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 18:20

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 18:20

That sounds very logical Evelijn

So they should now more if that is the case...

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 18:25

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 18:25

I'm lost.
It's possible that Mickey has been with the Holstud?
Mister van der Holst, then is the one who asked for this passport?
But how do whe get to the nqha and fjordenstamboek then?

Als Mickey bij de Holstud is geweest en meneer van der Holst is degene die het paspoort heeft aangevraagt, hoe komt de nqha en het fjordenstamboek er dan bij betrokken?

Oh wacht, nee dat kan niet, want deruyck is toch de gene die het paspoort heeft aangevragen?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 18:38

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 18:38

Deruyck wanted to ship the horse to UK. So Mickey came in quarantain with Holstud. The most logical explanation is, that he didn't have a passport or chip (anymore?). So Deruyck had one made etc. J van der Holst signed that passport, so I guess he has something to with NFjPS OR NQHA... ?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 18:42

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 18:42

But why take this horse from land to land and than again to another land?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 18:48

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 18:48

Hmm True... If he was in quarantain at Holstud, it's sure he was in Belgium, Holland and UK, unless Deruyck bought him in Holland and brougth him to Holstud emidiatly. but that doesnt add up with the Belgian chip...

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 19:03

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 19:03

On another page someone wrote that mister Deruyck also transports horses, so why go to the Holstud then?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 19:09

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 19:09

if you google on horsepassport.nl you get holstud

could this horse be a cross andalusian ?

but if it was a horse from him he would of had papers

how mutch did you pay for your horse (that can be a clou wich direction to look for)

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 19:35

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 19:35

holly schreef:
On another page someone wrote that mister Deruyck also transports horses, so why go to the Holstud then?

Does he also have a quarantain area? Nagelbijten / Gniffelen

@ Nickyu: She bought the horse from an other guy over in england. So I don't think the price is a pointer...

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 19:38

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 19:38

Nickyu, isn't it so that spanische horses always have a brand? (brandmerk)
I really don't know for sure.

Mickey doesn't have a brand?

I have send an PB to Lusitana if she wants to take a look in this topic.
Lusitana knows more about spanische horses.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 19:52

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 19:52

iff the spanisch horse is born in spain .. he has a brandmark
wich doesnot mean papers ..

as far as i know there is NO quarantain necceserry any more
to go with your horse to england for some while now

the price does matter if its extreemly low
it has not been a studd stallion / paper horse
if it was a horse from holstad it would not have been sheap

so price could be a pointer

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 20:02

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 20:02

Holstud is also associated with the NQHA, if you look bij PVE and then "paspoort uitgevende instanties" you will get for the adress in Garderen and email: info@holstud.nl
But where the N.Fj.P.S. (fjordstudbook) fits the picture, I doesn't have a clue.
Also strange that you could have a dutch passport with a belgium chipnumber. I can find a website where you can search if you have a account http://www.idpaarden.be/ So maybe somebody knows someone who could search in this one.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 20:19

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 20:19

But Holstud is involved as owner of the issuer of the passport, as Dhr. J. van de Holst. So Dhr. van de Holst makes a Dutch passport for a belgium horse, with belgium identification number. Is that possible?
Besides that Dhr. van de Holst gives the adres what is NQHA, but with a Fjordstudbook as name. But it is also already mentioned that these studbooks work together with their identification computer system.
Well... we should find someone from belgium who can check if the identification number is known there.

Oh and I send an email to info@horsepassport.nl and that can't be deliverd because it is a unroutable address. So the emailadres is false or doesn't exist anymore.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 20:29

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 20:29

Question for Gail.
What does page 7 say? Is there a stamp on that page? (Eigendomsmutaties)

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 20:33

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 20:33

Jurgen van der Holst is the owner of Holstud and also the one who issues passport for the NQHA/quarter horses, he has several jobs so maybe he works for the Fjords too??
If you have to change the passport you´ll have to send it back to the organisation that issued it (so that will be Jurgen) so that explains the same adress as for the NQHA.

Why don´t you send him a mail and let him explain if he knows this horse or maybe a way to find out where the horse came from. He doesn´t bite and is a nice man, been there before to change my NQHA passport and maybe its very simple to explain rather than making assumptions.

Oftewel, Jurgen is de eigenaar van Holstud en heeft meerdere petten op, doet paspoorten voor de NQHA en misschien ook wel voor de fjorden dat zou hetzelfde adres verklaren omdat je nou eenmaal het paspoort terug moet sturen naar de uitgevende instantie, jurgen dus....!!
daarnaast is het een KI/dekstation en quarantainestation dus internationale contacten en handig paspoorten maken dichtbij huis. Ik zou hem gewoon eens bellen en vragen of hij weet hoe het zit.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 20:36

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 20:36

@ cissy: Gail allready said she would do that as soon as she got back from her work Knipoog

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 21:00

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 21:00

I read that, but maybe one of us can do that for her instead, after all Dutch is our native language Lachen

I really do not think this horse is used as a stallion on Holstud, Jurgen would know this horse and certainly would not issue these papers knowing his history.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 22:26

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 22:26

Mystica schreef:
No we have to find out from what organisation that van de Holst is

Sorry just got in and haven't read all yet. But that Holst.... Ist Holstud in Stroe.

Okay seen that Cissy has wroten aswell. And no he does not work for the Fjords to. Holstud has used the login of the fjord assosiation for the last years to register the numbers in the PVE database. The PVE is working on it to get all the numbers of registert QH, Paints and Appies to be corrected. Because theyre numbers aren't correct in the database. Numbers get changed because number of login from Fjords is used.

The only thing im wondering about is that Holstud normally does not make pasports for horses other than QH, Paint and Appie. Know this because wanted to let them make pasport for my old warmblood mare. And they told me they didnt make those, I had to go to the Federatie.

okay now Im going to read back, have still 2 pages to go, so iff anwser is overdue please ignore.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:06

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:06

Lusitana just told me that not every spanisch horse has a brand.
She promissed to take a look at this topic, so maybe she can tell you something more about if Mickey can be a spanisch horse.

If someone would like to contact the Holstud, what kind of questions do whe have then?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:22

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:22

holly schreef:
Nickyu, isn't it so that spanische horses always have a brand? (brandmerk)
I really don't know for sure.

Mickey doesn't have a brand?

I have send an PB to Lusitana if she wants to take a look in this topic.
Lusitana knows more about spanische horses.

No, not all horses are branded, usually just those of horse- and cattle breeders. There are many non branded horses. Another thing is that my own horse, in Portugal, is recently chipped and her number starts with 9.... So, to assume the chip must be Belgian is not quite right. It could be from another country. The passport is recently made, just for transport means. We do that here a lot with the horses that are sold to another country, and then we fill our name as breeder if we don't know who the breeder was. This horse also has the name of the trader, not the breeder, in his passport.
"Cob" is just a type, apposed to "pony" or "horse" and he does fit in the catagory. It is NOT a breed.

The horse could be Portuguese even. There are a lot of cheap horses imported from Spain and Portugal, especially those without papers.
It is possible that he has more than one passport made in different countries.
The colour doesn't fit. A roodschimmel is a roan, and they don't go white.

In the end, it doesn't really matter what a passport says, it is just a document for transport that can be fixed in a moment, it has nothing to do with studbooks or pedegrees. (It cán, in case of a pedegree horse, but it is not necessary). I don't think the passport will get you anywhere. You can only hope someone recognizes the horse.

Just accept you got a horse with unknown background and start from what you have, a lovely horse to be proud of. Good luck with him.

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:38

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:38

Lusitana schreef:
So, to assume the chip must be Belgian is not quite right.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought that his chipnumber did not gave a hit when it was looked up at the site of the PVE?
The numbers for a dutch chipnumber are 5282 and for "friezen" is that most of the time 9851.
Mickeys chipnumbers starts with 9811.
Is there a spanisch website where you can check chipnumbers Lusitana?

When you look at his picture, do you think its possible that Mickey is a spanisch horse, or is that not possible Lusitana?
You know how spanisch horses look like Haha!

**Geplaatst door de TopicStarter** : 23-07-08 23:40

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst door de TopicStarter : 23-07-08 23:40

hello back again ive read the threads and on page 7 there is nothing on it it is blank
i paid £2800 for him and im going to email and send a photo to holst .
also what if i had a DNA done on mickey would this help

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:44

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:44

not if you do not have a clue whom his parents are

for that prise it ws def not a stud
think its a "disposal"horse

be sure you check its teaths by a other vet
you say he has got a small teeth
wat do you meen ?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:47

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:47

Page 7? There is no page 7 yet.

I don't think DNA helps, because you don't know anything about who his parent can be.
Or do you mean something else?

Can you tell us something more about Mickey?
Has he ever been sick?
Is there anything that makes it possible that Mickey is a horse with a problem somewhere in or on his body?

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:48

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:48

think she means page 7 of the pasport Clown

**Geplaatst**: 23-07-08 23:51

Re: [EG] does anyone know my horse

Geplaatst: 23-07-08 23:51

Oh haha, sorry Gestoord

Gail, this is the site of Holstud. http://www.holstud.nl
You can find contact information on there.