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**Geplaatst**: 16-01-09 08:58

Geplaatst: 16-01-09 08:58

Well, there is a handsome boy! :+:

And an evenso beautyfull mum

It's a bit far in time for now but KEEP US POSTED we like to see pictures *hint* *-:)

!

Perhaps you'll get some Dutch costumers for seamen

Again, lots of luck and succes! And thanks for your compliment

**Geplaatst**: 16-01-09 11:52

Geplaatst: 16-01-09 11:52

we've got also a cremello here downunder, cant remember its name but also a TB and they're going to race with it, so cant wait see it going round the track

**Geplaatst**: 16-01-09 12:16

Geplaatst: 16-01-09 12:16

Hier is vorig jaar ook een cremello veulen geboren, een merrie. Ik ben er helemaal weg van. Overigens vind ik niet alle cremello's mooi. Heel vaak zie je dat ze gefokt zijn puur op kleur en dat het exterieur en de bouw verder te betwijfelen vallen en dat is echt jammer. Overigens vind ik die volbloed op de fotos best leuk.

Dit is die van ons, geboren uit een welsh (partbred, welsh nwr x arabier) en vader is een new forest.
Erg lastig dus met inschrijven in een stamboek, het new forest heb je inprincipe al niks aan en er zit te weinig welshbloed in voor het welsh stamboek. Ze is dus ingeschreven in het Royal Belgian Palomino stamboek.

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**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 00:16

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 00:16

Electrum, what a nice youngster you have!

From your posts I understand that you intend to breed him as a 2 year old to your own TB mares? I assume that they will then get JC papers. For those interested what papers would the foals (2010 breedings) of outside mares get? Hopefully by that time he will be approved by a recognised wb association.
Which warmblood association are you intending to present him with for stallion approval? Or are you still looking into the possibilities?

Please do keep us up to date with photo's and news!

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 03:02

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 03:02

Hi EeCee..Thankyou

..yes I will update with lots of photos when the Summer arrives

Hopefully Electrum will have some girlfriends from Holland but if they are TB they will have to come and visit England as it has to be live cover for all TB's.
Please can you translate Volcanos post for me?..the online translater doesn't make any sense. Thanks

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 03:05

Re: Eerste cremello volbloed officieel erkend door het stamboek

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 03:05

Hi classic_life

Unfortunately The Australian JC don't want any dilutes downunder..they have chosen not to let them in their stud book even though the International Stud Book Committee says they are allowed to

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 03:19

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 03:19

Thankyou Peterina

Yes my mares foals with Electrum will get JC papers..The will be in the General Stud Book GSB at Weatherby's..it is the original and oldest TB stud book in the world.
Outside mares (mares that do not belong to me) will get a full GSB passports if they are TB.
I haven't decided which Warmblood registry to grade him with yet but he will have to be in a warmblood registry to A.I. cover as Weatherby's only issue covering certificates if 'live' covered..non TB mares can be on the Weatherby's NTR(non TB) but they also have to be live covered.
I could grade him with SHBGB (Sport Horse Breeding GB) ..they are very strict on gradings I'm told...I will have to go and watch a grading and then decide...they usually only approve 1 or 2 from about 35 presented.
He has 4 TB mares wanting to book for 2010 already

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 03:26

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 03:26

volcano translation:

Last year we had a cremello filly, I love her, although I don't like all cremellos.
A lot of times they're bred only for color, and not for conformation and that's too bad.
I do like the TB in the pics though.
This is ours, part welsh, sire is a new forest.
Tricky to register, new forest won't register her and she doesn't have enough welsh to be registered there.
So she's registered with the Royal Belgian Palomino stamboek.

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 04:03

Re: Eerste cremello volbloed officieel erkend door het stamboek

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 04:03

Thankyou Libera

Hi Volcano,
Your filly is beautiful !
I completely agree with what you say.
There was a cremello foal born in the real New Forest in England this year..people were surprised! they couldn't understand how the foal was that colour ha ha! Most people do not understand colour genetics and the mother and father were obviously buckskin but looked like bays

It is ridiculous not to allow cremello if they allow buckskin..but ignorance is blind

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 07:04

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 07:04

You're welcome Electrum!

Question: further on in this forum there is news about Contagious Equine Metritis (CEM). A few American stallions are in test or tested positive. TB's can only do 'live' coverings so do you test the mare first? Or isn't it a issiue yet in GB?

A lot of people seem 'scared' of live covering nowadays (for good reasons sometimes). But I'm glad I had my mare live covered.

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 16:20

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 16:20

Electrum schreef:
Thankyou Libera

Hi Volcano,
Your filly is beautiful !
I completely agree with what you say.
There was a cremello foal born in the real New Forest in England this year..people were surprised! they couldn't understand how the foal was that colour ha ha! Most people do not understand colour genetics and the mother and father were obviously buckskin but looked like bays
It is ridiculous not to allow cremello if they allow buckskin..but ignorance is blind

Yes indeed ignorance is blind and it is very disturbing that most of the older established Studbooks have not or simply will not, catch up to the 21st century. It is the same story with the Connemara Studbook ... single dilutes are looked upon as being odd balls, but a cremello! ... they can only be registered in the B-register and a colt will never be accepted as an approved stallion.

**Geplaatst**: 19-01-09 16:25

Geplaatst: 19-01-09 16:25

Electrum schreef:
Thankyou Peterina
Yes my mares foals with Electrum will get JC papers..The will be in the General Stud Book GSB at Weatherby's..it is the original and oldest TB stud book in the world.
Outside mares (mares that do not belong to me) will get a full GSB passports if they are TB.
I haven't decided which Warmblood registry to grade him with yet but he will have to be in a warmblood registry to A.I. cover as Weatherby's only issue covering certificates if 'live' covered..non TB mares can be on the Weatherby's NTR(non TB) but they also have to be live covered.
I could grade him with SHBGB (Sport Horse Breeding GB) ..they are very strict on gradings I'm told...I will have to go and watch a grading and then decide...they usually only approve 1 or 2 from about 35 presented.
He has 4 TB mares wanting to book for 2010 already

May I suggest you also look into getting him approved with a Warmblood Studbook instead of a Sport Horse Studbook! Most of the European, and that includes UK, Sport Horse Studbooks are not accepted by the Warmblood Studbook which results in the foals being registered in Book 2 (or B Registers) and not in the Main Books.

**Geplaatst**: 20-01-09 02:48

Geplaatst: 20-01-09 02:48

EeCee schreef:
You're welcome Electrum!

Question: further on in this forum there is news about Contagious Equine Metritis (CEM). A few American stallions are in test or tested positive. TB's can only do 'live' coverings so do you test the mare first? Or isn't it a issiue yet in GB?

A lot of people seem 'scared' of live covering nowadays (for good reasons sometimes). But I'm glad I had my mare live covered.

I think the Americans affected didn't follow 'good stud management' somewhere along the line

..I think they are Quarterhorses not Thoroughbreds.
All the studs I know in England require a CEM swab but I am sure a few 'small time' breeders just take a chance.
Electrum had to be tested for everything before being imported to England because he was a colt.
I heard there have been a few European horses exported to the USA that are positive for EVA.
I've always live covered, whether using my own stallion or sending my mares away but have always required mares to my stallion to be tested and sent my mares to a reputable stud that has their stallions tested and requires visiting mares to be tested. I have to provide veterinary certificates for CEM EVA and EIA for my mares.
Yes it is important for the stud to test etc. but the mare owner should do their research before sending a mare to stud....responsible breeding from both parties

I hope we don't get an outbreak over here!

**Geplaatst**: 20-01-09 03:01

Geplaatst: 20-01-09 03:01

Peterina schreef:
May I suggest you also look into getting him approved with a Warmblood Studbook instead of a Sport Horse Studbook! Most of the European, and that includes UK, Sport Horse Studbooks are not accepted by the Warmblood Studbook which results in the foals being registered in Book 2 (or B Registers) and not in the Main Books.

Yes I will try to get him approved with a warmblood studbook...I think the ZFDP grade in the UK now but I'm not sure of the procedure and of the choices I have and if I need to send him to Europe?
I know the warmblood breeds and the well known lines but I don't know the procedures to follow as I have concentrated on TB's mainly

Any help and ideas will be appreciated thanks

**Geplaatst**: 20-01-09 07:13

Geplaatst: 20-01-09 07:13

Electrum schreef:
Hi classic_life
Unfortunately The Australian JC don't want any dilutes downunder..they have chosen not to let them in their stud book even though the International Stud Book Committee says they are allowed to

Hmzz... i havent heard that yet, but maybe we're talking both bout a different horse. I had a look on the internet to find out how they called her colour, and i found out that she's actually white (instead cremello). The horse i talked about has got the Overo Lethal White Syndrome..click here to see the article about her

I hope see is going to race but we'll see next season if she's in training

**Geplaatst**: 20-01-09 17:01

Re: Eerste cremello volbloed officieel erkend door het stamboek

Geplaatst: 20-01-09 17:01

Hi again classic_life

I read about her being sold at the Magic Million sales on another forum.
She hasn't got OLWS as that is connected to the 'Frame' gene (each parent has to pass the OLWS gene for it to be fatal)..she has the 'sabino' gene , which is another white gene but it just expresses itself in a different form.
The frame gene has rounder and clearer edges to the pattern but sabino can look jagged and patchy..this filly is maximun sabino so her white is spread all over..minimal sabinos can have just a small patch of white..and some have flecks of white hairs throughout their body which looks like roaning.
She's very pretty but will have to use a lot of sun protection on her pink skin.
These colour genes are fascinating and hard to understand but totally addictive lol