Op een Amerikaans forum las ik het volgende, wat moet ik me daarbij voorstellen? :
The Dutch Hunter stud book of the KWPN is a reality. Just The Best has been selected as a Foundation Stallion and fulfilled all of the requirements. He is now officially a KWPN Dutch Hunter Foundation Sire.
Missouri
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Dat is de nieuwe afsplitsing van het KWPN naar Amerika. Zie het als zoiets dat ze daat de tuigers met Arabieren dekken.
luxje
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hunter, is dat niet een soort paard waar de amerikanen zo dol op zijn? beetje vlakke gangen, makkelijke springers. ik weet wel dat je daar op wedstrijden speciale hunterklasses hebt (ik dacht 1.10-1.20)
Anoniem
Geplaatst: 22-11-03 00:08
Ja Hunters zijn bloedbeestjes die vlak bewegen zodat het niet te moeilijk zit, makkeljk springen................eigenlijk een simpel dier wat makkeljk springt en vooral simpel te rijden is.
Helaas zitten er nog meer eisen aan, en is een goede hunter niet 123 te vinden, er wordt dik geld voor betaald. Vraag morgen wel even na, wat de eisen nogmeer zijn.
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Ze moeten een mooie (dus egale ) kleur hebben, en erg makkelijk wissels springen. Het moet eruit zien alsof het vanzelf gaat in het parcours, en het gaat om de mooiigheid.
Bedankt voor de info! Dit is niet iets wat in Nederland aan zal slaan of is dit interessant voor de Nederlandse fokkerij? Lijkt mij dat de Amerikanen dat type paarden zelf wel kan fokken.
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Amerikanen zijn gek op Nederlandse paarden... vooral die bloedtypetjes. Heel veel goede hunters in Amerika komen uit Nederland (al waren ze hier nog niet bestempeld als "hunter"). Het is ook wel een modeverschijnsel, denk ik.
ponyzotje
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in engeland heb je twee types hunters. persoonlijk zie ik liever het zware type gekruisd met volbloed. de andere zijn me echt te fijn aan het worden. in amerika zijn er inderdaad hunterklassen, als ik het goed heb rijdt de jury die paarden.
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Bij western wedstrijden of rassen shows van Quarter horses/Paints/Appaloosas heb je ook het onderdeel hunter. Maar ik denk dat dit net weer anders is.
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Haha, vond dit wel grappig:
With all the threads about horse pricing and the need for a blue book, I decided to make my own hunter pricing scale. Keep in mind, this is what tends to be true for my area and will certainly be more if you live in places like CA or Florida, and will probably be less if you live in Alaska, which I don't believe has a huge hunter population.
AGE: 3 or under- Add $1000 4 or 5- Add $3000 5 to 10- Add $5000 11 to 15- Add $3000 16 to 20- Add $1000 21 to 25- Add $0 Over 25- Subtract $5,000
GENDER (Keep in mind, this is for hunters only): Mare: Add $0 Stallion: Add $0 Gelding: Add $1000
HEIGHT: Upper inch of pony height divisions (12.1-12.2, 13.1-13.2, 14.1-14.2): Add $3000 Upper inch of small horses (15.3 to just under 16.0hh): Add $5000 Big horse (16.3hh to 17.3hh): Add $7000 Measures well over acceptable pony height, but still has permanent measurement card: Add $5000 Measures well over acceptable small horse height, but still holds a small card: Add $7000
COLOR: (Note: skip this section for ponies, who are exempt from all color rules) Bay: Add $2000 Chestnut/black: Add $1000 Grey: Add $1000 UNLESS owner takes care of own horse. Palomino/roan: Add $0 Buckskin/pinto: Subract $1000 Appy: Subtract $2000
TEMPERAMENT (ground): (Note: If your contact with your horse is limited to feeding it carrots once a week after taking it, fully tacked up, from your grooms, AND you plan to keep up this system, please skip this section.) Gentle: Add $1000 Affectionate: Add $1000 Bites: Subtract $2000 Kicks: Subtract $1000 Cribs: Subtract $2000 Heaves/other respiratory unsoundnesses: Subtract $6000
TEMPERAMENT (riding): Spooks at things on the ground*: Subract $3000 Spooks at fences sometimes*: Subtract $5000 Spooks at fences consistently*: Subract $10,000 Refuses*: Subract $10,000 Rears*: Subract $7000 Bucks*: Subtract $5000 Takes off*: Subtract $4000 Pulls/gets strong*: Subract $1000 Is lazy/slow off the leg: Subract $1000 Never refuses: Add $3000 COMPLETELY, UNFAILINGLY obedient (could quite possibly attempt to run off a cliff you told it to do so): Add $5000 Could probably negotiate the course alone or with minimal help: Add $7000 Difficult to ride (pulls, resists, requires someone other than a useless passenger on its back)*: Subtract $10,000 Lack of auto lead changes: Subtract $5,000 Lack of simple lead changes: Subtract $5,000 Swishes tail/pins ears while in the show ring: Subtract $2,000 *=IGNORE if you or your trainer plans to ride/show horse only on heavy 'medication'.
MOVEMENT: Could win any hack, anywhere, provided the rider didn't wear the wrong color breeches or something else unavoidable: Add $10,000 Wins in modest company, places in good company: Add $5,000 Appears to be sound and could possibly even win a hack if all other horses were dead lame or wearing unfashionable apparel: Add $0 Trots lame: Subtract $5,000 unless only planning to show in divisions that don't require a jog and that can be won without a hack class.
JUMPING ABILITY (Horses only): (Note: Choosing a particular height implies that the horse can jump a show COURSE at this height, without knocking over poles or requiring perfect distances to every jump. Basically, if the horse can chip/go long to a certain fence height, THAT is the level. If your horse can sometimes make it over 3'6", but will run out if not set up perfectly, then it cannot show at that level and should move down. Also, this means that the horse can SAFELY do this.) Jumps 2'3": Add $1,000 Jumps 2'6": Add $1,000 Jumps 3': Add $6,000 Jumps 3'3": Add $9,000 Jumps 3'6": Add $15,000 Jumps 4': Add $25,000 Jumps over 4': Move to jumper divisions immediately.
JUMPING STYLE: Rox Dene-esque: Add $20,000 Fancy enough to win most places: Add $15,000 Always in the ribbons: Add $10,000 Usually places: Add $5,000 Sometimes places: Add $3,000 Errr...well, it jumps: Add $0 Flips over poles/runs into jumps/causes children to ask their parents "Was that SUPPOSED to happened?"/jump crew's worst nightmare: Subtract $5,000 Jumps super-round: Add $5,000 if you are a pro, subtract $5,000 if you are not.
STRIDING: Subtract $5,000 if it cannot make the strides.
PRETTINESS (applies only to horses--all ponies are naturally adorable): Jaw-dropping gorgeous (and NOT just to you!): Add $6,000 Absolutely adorable: Add $4,000 Handsome: Add $3,000 Attractive/passable: Add $2,000 Average: Add $0 Ugly/misshapen: Subtract $2,000
SHOW EXPERIENCE: Never shown: Subtract $5,000 Lightly, successfully shown (probably locally, "c" shows, etc.): Add $2,000 Extensively, semi-successfully shown ("c", "B", some "A" shows, many ribbons, few championships): Add $5,000 WON at "B" shows: Add $7,000 WON at "A" shows: Add $10,000
And the most important...
SOUNDNESS: Never taken a lame step in its life/doesn't colic, etc.: Add $5,000 Minor health problems (abcessed once, etc.): Add $1,000 Larger health problems (bad splints, sore back, etc.): Subtract $5,000 Big health issues (bone chip, colics frequently, was off for a few months, etc.): Subtract $7,000 Frankly, I'm amazed it can still move (colics often, had laminitis, pulled a suspensory and has to be handwalked on drugs for 6 months, etc.): Subtract $11,000
Wait, I lied. THIS is the most important:
FAME: At Big Name Barn: Add $6,000 Ridden by/owned by/marketed by BNT: Add $10,000 Won at Big Name Shows, giving the horse a MAJOR name-recognition advantage: Add $10,000
OTHER STUFF: Warmblood: Add $5,000 Off the track: Subtract $5,000 If this is your own horse and you know that you are prone to exaggerating how pretty/fancy/scopy/gentle your baby is, subtract around $10,000.
Anywhere close? These are pretty close to estimates for my area...and keep in mind that these are SHOW HUNTERS, and therefore subject to incredible price inflations to match the inflated egos of hunter trainers and hunter riders.