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Jnien schreef:

ThreeFingers schreef:

En zal de typische dokters handschoenen gedragen kunnen hebben.

Er waren toch alleen sporen van Kate gevonden?
Of ook handschoensporen?

ThreeFingers schreef:

ps, de eigenaar die het opgenomen heeft, zegt dat de video van april 2007 is. Die video heb ik al eerder gepost.

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shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry himself wrote this and mentioned that people had been supportive at the dump site.
This was of course before they were declared suspects, when the fund was bringing in money everyday and the wave of global sympathy was at its height. Gerry must have felt very relaxed and confident that he didnt need to hide this rather strange action.

But it is a strange thing to do isnt it?
You rent an apartment, the fridge breaks, and instead of getting the owner to replace or repair it you take it upon yourself to remove the fridge and dump it?
How do you know the owner hasnt got a brother who is a fridge repair expert??

You must admit its a VERY strange thing to do

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I told you when he put it in his blog...there are copies...its not in his blog now....because hes removed it.

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during
the summer months gerry had wrote in his blog that the freezer at the
rented villa had broken and he took it to the dump. the blog was edited
within 24 hours. there was a large thread about it on here. i rembember
that in one of the portugese papers the owners of the villa saying they
were not informed of the breakdown and that gerry had replaced the
freezer.

i also believe that all the apartment in the ocean
club are privately owned and all have fridges/freezers. i also recently
found out that the apartment the mccanns moved to from 5a after the 3rd
may was an apartment on the complex owned by a mr and mrs hubbard!!!

ThreeFingers schreef:

Het kan best zijn dat wij het allemaal heeel ver zoeken.
Bij bv Rüssel kan ik me voorstellen dat hij bv het raam en rolluiken openzet, om het juist uit te laten zien als een ontvoering. En zal de typische dokters handschoenen gedragen kunnen hebben.

Ik wil hiermee absoluut geen misschien valse beschuldigen doen.
Maar zo "simpel" kan de Maddie zaak zijn.

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A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

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From the beginning the parents of the minor attributed the fact (disappearance) to the action of a third party, defending the KIDNAPPING.

Even though it was a possible scenario, the actions of the family were in the sense of conducting into that direction, through the publicity of the fact in a way that was never seen before.
In fact, in the following day, the British televisions 'opened' the news already publicizing the disappearance/kidnapping of the minor.

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Meanwhile the diligences continued in order to recover all types of information and always in the perspective of working over all the possible scenarios.

The information recovered, in the beginning, with the family and friends, was uncertain and 'worked up', by the group, in order to give strength to the version presented and defended.

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The truth, however, is that this statements made the investigation to wander, losing time and resources.

It is not admissible (understandable) that this information was given in the beginning and maintained all along the time, in spite of the fact that anyone could verify the losses that it caused to the investigation.

After all this time the version is maintained paired with the public and 'hammered 'statement that what they want the most is 'to help the investigation'.

The investigation had to assume the incorrect information and move forward.

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Continuing with the analysis of the information presented, we have an element of the GROUP that became a witness, pretensely important, Jane Tanner, because of what she communicated: she SAW someone at dinner time crossing the road from the place of the disappearance, in the direction of Robert Murat's house.

This information swerved (directed) and mobilized the work of the investigators for a long time. This can be the example how information that is not correct can, not only delay, but could have also lead to the loss of the little girl.

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The investigation didn't follow the command or the will of anyone; the family and Group's information that on this type of crime is fundamental, was always distorted.

The fact that the individuals were foreigners prevented, until now, that direct information about the persons of the GROUP were obtained.

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Although maintaining all the lines of the investigation opened it was, nevertheless, decided to advance in the direction of a new inspection to the local where the girl disappeared.
The inspection technique is frequently used in the United Kingdom and consists on the use of dogs especially trained.

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We refer now that the location of the cadaver odours signifies that physically the body (cadaver) is not on the place, marked by the dog, but certainly it has been there, as long as the dog signals it.

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The places and the pieces marked and signaled by the blood dog are being subjected to forensic exams, part of which are already concluded.

Not less relevant is the refinement of the results that point towards Madeleine's DNA as being present at the apartment 5A behind the sofa, a place marked by the cadaver and the blood dog. In every place marked by the blood dog it was confirmed there was DNA.

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When the media informed that blood had been detected 'in the car and in the apartment', Kate and members of her family come to the public with the simple excuse that it had been someone, with access to the apartment, to place the evidence.

Now they even admit it was a member of the criminal investigation to place the 'false' evidence (blood and cadaver odour in the apartment and in the car).

Kate in an attempt to justify the blood went even further, informing that on that occasion, Madeleine had, sometimes, nasal haemorrhages.

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From everything that was gathered, the facts point in the direction that the death of Madeleine McCann occurred, on the night of May 3rd of 2007, inside the apartment 5A, of the Ocean Club resort, occupied by the couple McCann and by their three children;

There is a coincidence between the marking of cadaver odour and blood, according to the Laboratory Report (partial) annexed to the 'Autos'.

Such markings, occurred behind the sofa of the living room (cadaver and blood odour/DNA), which proves that indubitably such piece of furniture was pushed back by someone, after the death of Madeleine McCann occurred. Because of the weak (small) vestiges recovered at such place, it is to admit as a strong hypothesis that the same was subjected to a wash, at the time the death occurred.

In the same way, the soft toy used by the dead child, found at the head of the bed where she usually slept (see photos about the initial forensics) reveals that someone put it there in a moment posterior to the death, once the bed doesn't have cadaver odour. This is, there occurred an intentional modification in order to simulate a 'picture' that doesn't correspond with the reality;

It must be added that the cadaver odour signalled a strong odour in the bedroom where the McCann slept, which can indicate the moving of the corpse from the actual death scene (living room) to the non visible part of the bedroom;

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From everything that was exposed from the AUTOS, we conclude that:
A) The minor Madeleine McCann died in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort, on the night of May 3rd of 2007;

B) It was performed a simulation of kidnapping;

C) In order to avoid the death [alarm] of the minor before 22H00, it was created a situation of the children's surveillance by the McCann while the children slept;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the occultation of the cadaver of their child Madeleine McCann;

E) At this moment, there seems that there aren't strong indicia that the death of the minor didn't happen due to a tragic accident;

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

Jnien schreef:

Even een vraag tussendoor, maar is het serieus dat Kate het restaurant de schuld geeft? Dat het reserveringsboek open lag en daardoor de ontvoerder/pedo heeft geweten dat ze iedere avond gingen eten bij het tapas-restaurant?

Babootje schreef:

ThreeFingers schreef:

Daarom heb ik eerder gevraagd of jullie willen vertellen, wat er volgens jullie gebeurt is.

Is ze gecremeerd? Lag ze 3 weken in de vriezer?

Ik ben geneigd om uit te gaan van wat er is. Als ik de getuigenverklaringen van de McCanns en vrienden van die dag buiten beschouwing laat.
En de vondsten van de honden. Die een lijkgeur hebben aangetroffen in de (achterbak van de) huurauto, op de autosleutels en bloedsporen in de achterbak van de auto.
Als we daarvan uitgaan, dan moet Maddie ergens "koel" bewaard zijn gebleven. Of ze gecremeerd is zou ik niet kunnen zeggen. En of dat sluitend is met hetgeen de honden in de achterbak van de auto hebben gevonden weet ik op dit moment ook niet. Het is 1 van de thorieen van de PJ.

Dat de dame die heeft getuigd dat de McCanns huurauto nachtenlang geventileerd werd. Dat deze tip niet is opgevolgd. Daarvan ook niets in de dossiers is teruggevonden, maar dat (vreemd genoeg) de McCanns het toch nodig vonden daar een verklaring over te geven, omdat deze verklaring in de media terecht kwam.
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2090 ... -the-night

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1324 ... s-hire-car

Jnien schreef:

Even een vraag tussendoor, maar is het serieus dat Kate het restaurant de schuld geeft? Dat het reserveringsboek open lag en daardoor de ontvoerder/pedo heeft geweten dat ze iedere avond gingen eten bij het tapas-restaurant?

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It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.

Babootje schreef:

ThreeFingers schreef:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3078300/

Deze heb ik helemaal nagelezen TF. Ook de links naar de zogenaamde wetenschappelijke onderzoeken die echt zo wetenschappelijk niet zijn als je de artikelen goed leest (omdat ze niet met vergelijkbaar getrainde honden werken).

ThreeFingers schreef:

@lusitana jij hebt zelf gezegd dat Het raam nooit open is geweest, daarna (omdat er getuigen verklaringen waren) kwam je met dat Kate het open gezet heeft.

Een andere optie is volgens jou niet mogelijk.

ThreeFingers schreef:

Wat was het verschil tussen de honden?

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Leaked reports from the investigation have suggested Madeleine's parents could have accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body using the car.

Although they do not know the full details of Portuguese prosecutors' case against them, the McCanns are concerned it may rest on the dog's reaction.

They want to highlight the judge's dismissal of cadaver dog evidence in the high-profile Eugene Zapata murder trial in Madison, Wisconsin.

The couple's lawyers have already contacted Zapata's defence team, who are now sending their large file on the matter to Britain.

Lusitana schreef:

ThreeFingers schreef:

Wat was het verschil tussen de honden?

"Eighteen drug and/or explosive detection dog/handler teams each completed two sets of four brief search scenarios (conditions)."

Dus het waren sowieso geen honden en handlers die getrained waren op mensenlucht.

Over Keela en haar training kun je hier lezen.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

"HER detective work is unsurpassed, her dedication to duty during some of Britain’s most challenging murder cases unfailing."

De McCanns zochten een manier om de vondsten van de honden als niet betrouwbaar te zien. Dat baseerdens ze op 1 (!!!!!) zaak van een hond die zich ooit vergist lijkt te hebben.

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Leaked reports from the investigation have suggested Madeleine's parents could have accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body using the car.

Although they do not know the full details of Portuguese prosecutors' case against them, the McCanns are concerned it may rest on the dog's reaction.

They want to highlight the judge's dismissal of cadaver dog evidence in the high-profile Eugene Zapata murder trial in Madison, Wisconsin.

The couple's lawyers have already contacted Zapata's defence team, who are now sending their large file on the matter to Britain.

Waarom zou je dat doen als je niks te verbergen hebt?

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De laatste operatie van de Duitse politie in Hannover, naast de hut waar de hoofdverdachte in de ontvoering van Madeleine McCann woonde, is in grote geheimhouding betrokken. Expresso weet echter dat het belangrijkste doel van de opgravingen was om 'trofeeën' te vinden, zoals kleding of andere persoonlijke voorwerpen, afkomstig van de vermeende seksuele slachtoffers van Christian Brückner, waaronder het Engelse kind dat in mei 2007 in Praia da Luz (Algarve) verdween. In tegenstelling tot wat er gesuggereerd werd, is deze operatie in Hannover niet bedoeld om de lichamen te vinden van mogelijke slachtoffers van de Duitser, die momenteel in Duitsland een gevangenisstraf uitzit wegens drugshandel.

Een paar maanden geleden vond BKA, de Duitse politie, een badpak en ongeveer 8000 pedofiele afbeeldingen verborgen in een camper die Christian Brückner in 2010 kocht. Het voertuig stond op een terrein naast een verlaten fabriek, in de buurt van Braunschweig, in Duitsland.

Deze week kwam de Britse pers met dat de politie bij deze opgravingen in Hannover een geheime kelder heeft gevonden waar ze voorwerpen zoals een waszak, canvas of een blauwe emmer zouden hebben verwijderd. Maar tot nu toe zwijgen de Duitse autoriteiten en praten ze niet over wat ze ter plaatse hebben ontdekt.

Deze opgravingen zijn de meest recente stap in het onderzoek naar Christian Brückner, die geweigerd heeft om verklaringen af ​​te leggen. Begin juli inspecteerden de Portugese autoriteiten drie putten die ongeveer 100 meter van elkaar verwijderd waren bij Vila do Bispo (Algarve). Putten die oorspronkelijk dienden om landbouwplantages te irrigeren, maar die al meer dan 20 jaar niet worden gebruikt. Er is echter niets gevonden.

De gerechtelijke politie werkt in dit geval samen met BKA en de British Scotland Yard. In Portugal zijn getuigen die informatie over de verdachte zouden kunnen hebben al ondervraagd.

Drie jaar geleden begon het onderzoek van start te gaan nadat de autoriteiten de informatie hadden ontvangen dat Christian Brückner in een café in Duitsland opschepte dat hij betrokken was bij de ontvoering van het Engelse kind. Hij was dronken en liet de 'bravoure' los in mei 2017, op een moment dat de tiende verjaardag van de verdwijning van Maddie de zaak weer in de schijnwerpers had gezet.